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Old 1 Nov 2002, 09:57 (Ref:419187)   #1
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ferrari WILL cheat next year

What a stupid rule the fia imposed upon us!!
So team orders are banned?Bull****!!!

We KNOW ferrari will be breaking this rule next year-who do they take us for??
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 10:10 (Ref:419193)   #2
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Re: ferrari WILL cheat next year

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What a stupid rule the fia imposed upon us!!
So team orders are banned?Bull****!!!

We KNOW ferrari will be breaking this rule next year-who do they take us for??

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Old 1 Nov 2002, 10:11 (Ref:419196)   #3
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Whats wrong with team orders?Schuey will win,RB will be number 2.Thats the way it is.RB aint complaining,he's well paid to be number 2.Ferrari want to win the CC and they want MS to win the WDC again.RB is there to cover his butt.If you expect they want it any other way,you haven't been watching F1 very long.Its a team game just like soccer,you don't see the whole soccer team upfront trying to score the goals,someones gotta be at the back defending.
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 10:15 (Ref:419198)   #4
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yes, agreeing the it is a part of Ruben's contract to be the number two, otherwise he would not be in Ferrari, plus, how are they going to figure it out or not?! I assume they can now hear anything and everything by means of team radio.

If they can actually hear whatever the team says over the radio, the team would have already have thought up a plan on the race anyway, so again, how can they police that!?

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Old 1 Nov 2002, 10:24 (Ref:419205)   #5
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RWC, you've got some issues man.

What would actually have made you happy? The FIA saying team orders ok? Give me a break. This is just whining for the sake of whining.

Will Williams cheat this year? Will McLaren cheat this year? bla bla bla.

Final point, does anyone here seriously think Rubins would beat Michael anyway?

*Nurse! We need more medication over here*
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 10:49 (Ref:419218)   #6
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They've been at it for years too.Lauda and Regazonni were a great double act '74-76.Clay was definitely No 2 though.
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 10:52 (Ref:419222)   #7
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These guys were at it too.Though I always suspected the No2 driver was the faster of the two.But he always followed Mario home just like a good No2 should.
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 10:56 (Ref:419226)   #8
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With you Wrex. Some people will just have to face up to the fact that Ferrari are on top right now because they deserve to be. They have worked harder, have more pure engineering ideas and standards, they have fantastic race day operations (nevermind what you think of the team orders element) and they have the very best driver.

As you say Wrex, what exactly would make some people happy? The outcome of both championships, as it turned out, was not affected by team orders. Now it's banned anyway - you can be sure that all of the other teams and the FIA have got far, far better ways of determining whether this rule has been breached than anyone on here could dream up.

And, as has also been said, Schumacher's going to win again anyway. Rubens would never be able to beat Michael over an entire season - Michael is a much more complete driver with a whole level of driving skill and racecraft at his disposal that Rubens could never have access to.
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 11:29 (Ref:419237)   #9
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Final point, does anyone here seriously think Rubins would beat Michael anyway?
Nope, although Austria did show that he can occasionally better Schumacher over an entire weekend. (Well the first 99% anyway )
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Michael is a much more complete driver with a whole level of driving skill and racecraft at his disposal,
I agree entirely, but why then were team orders necessary this year? Surely if they had been allowed to race the results would have been nearly identical, Schumacher racing off in to the distance, Rubens a way back, the rest a lot further back. And it's not as if reliability was a problem for Ferrari.
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 11:43 (Ref:419248)   #10
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Just to make sure. Anything can happen. It usually doesn't with a Ferrari that's so excellent, but it can. The sooner you've got the title, the sooner you've really got it.
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 11:48 (Ref:419253)   #11
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I cant belive this new points system. Only 2 points between winning & second? The whole World is changing! I just cant take it any more!!!
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 12:25 (Ref:419281)   #12
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I can't believe I hadn't thought of that until now - what would be the point in switching 1 & 2 (team orders) when there's only two points in it? Mind you, they switched for the same points difference in 2001.
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 12:29 (Ref:419286)   #13
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The point is that this is sold as a "race" and not as a "Ferrari Demonstration Run."

Or as JPM is fond of asking (and never getting an answer either): What is Michael afraid of? If he's really sure he can always beat Rubens, why does he have a clause in his contract that means he doesn't even have to try?

The fact that no one has denied that the clause is there, including Rubens, that's how I knwo it's there. Rubens would deny that such a humiliating clause existed if it did not.
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 13:34 (Ref:419352)   #14
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Liz, don't waste your time...

Anyway, I agree with you.
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Old 1 Nov 2002, 13:45 (Ref:419366)   #15
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Oh my gosh... again? For the love of god, do we really need to go over this AGAIN?
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