[BTCC] BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours!

[crmalcolm]

Team	Car	Driver	Notes
Confirmed Entries
Excelr8	Hyundai i30	Smith ?	Confirmed in press release - want to retain driver lineup
Excelr8	Hyundai i30	Osborne ?	Confirmed in press release - want to retain driver lineup
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic	Cammish	2yr contract confirmed in press release
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic	Neal	Confirmed as driver pairing in press release
WSR	BMW 330i	Oliphant	Reported as continuing next year with the team
WSR	BMW 330i	???	On TBL Entry List
WSR	BMW 330i	???	On TBL Entry List
Power Maxed	Vauxhall ?	Plato	Talked about engine / chassis developments for 2020 in interview
Power Maxed	Vauxhall ?	???	On TBL Entry List
Speedworks	Toyota Corolla	Ingram	Confirmed Ginsters backing for 2020 in article
Laser Tools (Aiden Moffat Racing)	Infiniti Q50	Moffat	Confirmed in press release
Laser Tools (Team BMR)	Infiniti Q50	Sutton	Confirmed in press release
Ciceley Motorsport	MB A-Class ?	Rowbottom	Confirmed entry in Facebook post
Ciceley Motorsport	MB A-Class ?	Morgan	Brands Hatch summary confirms 2020 return
HARD	VW CC	Goff	On BTCC.net (and others)
HARD	VW CC	Bushell	On BTCC.net (and others)
HARD	VW CC	???	On TBL Entry List
HARD	BMW 125i	Boardley	On BTCC.net (and others)
AmD (Cobra)	Honda Civic	Not 2019 driver(s)	Confirmed in social media post
AmD (Cobra)	Honda Civic	Not 2019 driver(s)	Confirmed in social media post
AmD (Trade Price)	???	???	On TBL Entry List
AmD (Trade Price)	???	???	On TBL Entry List
BTC Racing	Honda Civic	Smiley?	Social media post said returning, with picture of cars and drivers
BTC Racing	Honda Civic	Cook?	Social media post said returning, with picture of cars and drivers
BTC Racing	Honda Civic	???	On TBL Entry List
Motorbase	Ford Focus	???	On TBL Entry List
Motorbase	Ford Focus	???	On TBL Entry List
Motorbase	Ford Focus	???	On TBL Entry List
Simpson Racing	Honda Civic?	Simpson?	On TBL Entry List - Rumoured to have vocalised a withdrawal
Team Parker	BMW ?	???	On TBL Entry List
Likely Entries
HARD	VW CC	Crees?	tags HARD on social media
Possible Entries
???	Jag ?	Crees	Rumoured by Crees in a Facebook interview
WSR?	BMW 330i?	Jordan	Lost Pirtek sponsorship, says he wants to stay in the BTCC, but only with WSR
Not Motorbase	???	Chilton	Has been critical of the Focus in the press
???	???	Edwards	Has stated that she no longer drives in Clio Cup. Website is worded to suggest she is on the grid for 2020
HARD	VW CC	Thompson?	Claims to have exciting 2020 news on social media soon
HARD	VW CC	Coates?	Gilham #tagging?
Entries with doubt
???	???	Shedden	Speculation about wanting a return
???	???	M.Jackson	Linked to half of the teams on the grid
???	???	Blundell	Stated that he is undecided about a 2020 return
???	Subaru Levorg	???	Car not viable as NGTC entry
???	Subaru Levorg	???	Car not viable as NGTC entry
???	MB A-Class	???	Car on sale from Laser Tools
???	MG6	???	Excelr8 switched to Hyundai
???	MG6	???	Excelr8 switched to Hyundai

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

BMW 125 - HARD - Carl Broadley

Any possibility that the drivers names could be spelt correctly?

Is there a legend to go with the table, or some code to decipher black/red and the qty of ?s?

[S griffin]

Good to have Boardley back, hopefully that BMW can get him some results

[Millvi]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Good to have Boardley back, hopefully that BMW can get him some results

Big announcement from Team Hard and Boardley and it’s really going to add something to the 2020 season I think. Going to be fascinating how they perform with that car.

Who’s next for an announcement then? Senna Proctor was teasing news earlier this week with regards to a BTCC deal. TPC Audi? A return to PMR? Motorbase?

[Robin Marriott]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

From the HARD article:

'I’m glad that Carl could get a deal with WSR to get them to hand over their hugely successful 1 series'

Off to the opticians I go!

[S700UBO]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Any possibility that the drivers names could be spelt correctly?

Is there a legend to go with the table, or some code to decipher black/red and the qty of ?s?

i much prefer the effort put into your table, makes more sense too

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Any possibility that the drivers names could be spelt correctly?

Is there a legend to go with the table, or some code to decipher black/red and the qty of ?s?

red fully confirmed


black confirmed but no press release (the mercedes duo for example )

??? unconfirmed

can't understand how anyone can have problems understanding it

it's not rocket sciene or some women

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

From the HARD article:

'I’m glad that Carl could get a deal with WSR to get them to hand over their hugely successful 1 series'

2018 or 2019 engine?...

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

red fully confirmed


black confirmed but no press release (the mercedes duo for example )

??? unconfirmed

can't understand how anyone can have problems understanding it

OK - it's just that some of your reds have never had a formal press release, and some of the blacks have.
The qty of ?s varies, and it's still not clear why. Is it some sort of scale?

PMR's 2nd entry has 4
AmD's Civics both have 5
HARD's 4th car has 6
Motorbases 3 cars all have 6
Excelr8's entries both have 7
WSR's 3rd entry has 8

Is HARD's entry more certain that WSR's?
Is it more likely that AmD will run both cars than Motorbase running any?

Jelley has 2
Turkington has 3
Butcher has 3
Cook has 5

Does that mean Jelley is more likely than Turkington?
Is Butcher closer to a deal than Cook?

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

it's not rocket sciene or some women

??? What have some women got to do with it? ???

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

2018 or 2019 engine?...

I would guess that they would probably run the same engine as Parkers.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

OK - it's just that some of your reds have never had a formal press release, and some of the blacks have.
The qty of ?s varies, and it's still not clear why. Is it some sort of scale?

PMR's 2nd entry has 4
AmD's Civics both have 5
HARD's 4th car has 6
Motorbases 3 cars all have 6
Excelr8's entries both have 7
WSR's 3rd entry has 8

Is HARD's entry more certain that WSR's?
Is it more likely that AmD will run both cars than Motorbase running any?

Jelley has 2
Turkington has 3
Butcher has 3
Cook has 5

Does that mean Jelley is more likely than Turkington?
Is Butcher closer to a deal than Cook?



??? What have some women got to do with it? ???

Aah can we please stop arguing! We only need 1 list and crmalcolm's seems to be the preferred choice...

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

OK - it's just that some of your reds have never had a formal press release, and some of the blacks have.

which ones ?

The qty of ?s varies, and it's still not clear why. Is it some sort of scale?

PMR's 2nd entry has 4
AmD's Civics both have 5
HARD's 4th car has 6
Motorbases 3 cars all have 6
Excelr8's entries both have 7
WSR's 3rd entry has 8

Is HARD's entry more certain that WSR's?
Is it more likely that AmD will run both cars than Motorbase running any?

no real exact scale! few ?? is something very likely , say Turkington at WSR or Jelley at Team Parker and many ????? for seats of which we have no idea , clues or only some vague rumors like Chilton at BTC Racing


the exact amount of them is just random

??? What have some women got to do with it? ???

they are difficult to understand

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I would guess that they would probably run the same engine as Parkers.

Which in 18 was not the same as WSR but was the same in 19. My guess is a Team Hard value deal will mop up old obsolete 18 units which presumably also means it wont get screwed by any WSR BOP changes thru 20

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Which in 18 was not the same as WSR but was the same in 19. My guess is a Team Hard value deal will mop up old obsolete 18 units which presumably also means it wont get screwed by any WSR BOP changes thru 20

True, I hadn't considered the possibility of taking WSR-exempt engines to avoid BOP.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

which ones ?

A couple of examples:

Exceler8 entering Hyundais - black on your list.
Ingram driving the Speedworks Corolla in 2020 - red on your list.

[porsche962fan]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

A couple of examples:

Exceler8 entering Hyundais - black on your list.
Ingram driving the Speedworks Corolla in 2020 - red on your list.

excelr8 didn't announce drivers to make them red


Tingram made it super clear on TTT and that he will carry on

and there are some articles

"It puts us in a really good position for 2020 with the knowledge that we’ve found."

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-a...nsters-sponsor

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by antnee

On the subject of cars lying around 'in storage' - can a spare car be used in other series (ie TCT) if the same model is being used in BTCC?

Yes / No / Maybe [delete as appropriate]

Under BTCCs regs, any competitor is not allowed to race (or test) any circuit prior to it's BTCC round. That restriction applies to both driver and team, but as with almost everything in the BTCC rulebook, it can be waived at the discretion of the series director (Gow).

Would Gow allow Jake Hill to race a Lotus Elan at Silverstone Classic? Absolutely; there's nothing he is going to learn there that would have any benefit in BTCC.

Would Gow allow Team Dynamics to run an old shape Civic in TCT? Yes, it was an old spec car, running GPRM parts, so no benefit to the team from gaining extra data.

Would Gow allow Team Hard to run their spare CC in TCT? umm.... maybe?

Should any other team buy a spare Civic/CC/BMW/Infiniti and want to run it elsewhere, then they aren't BTCC entrants and the BTCC rules don't apply to them.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by antnee

It will be interesting to see how the results differ between Hard's VWs and the BMW.


On the subject of cars lying around 'in storage' - can a spare car be used in other series (ie TCT) if the same model is being used in BTCC?

Yes they can (unless a post season rule change has been implemented that I've missed OR I can't understand the rules!). Just not a particular example - e.g. Aidan Moffat could not take a chassis he runs in BTCC and run it in TCT. He could however take a sister car that isn't being run in BTCC and run it in TCT.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

excelr8 didn't announce drivers to make them red


Tingram made it super clear on TTT and that he will carry on

and there are some articles

"It puts us in a really good position for 2020 with the knowledge that we’ve found."

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-a...nsters-sponsor

Ah - I see. The Red is only related to driver announcements?

How is Ingram's status any different to Plato, Oliphant or Morgan who have all posted publicly about their 2020 plans with their respective teams?

[porsche962fan]

they weren't on TTT to leave no doubts and no articles on them either

but they have no question mark, they are pretty much 99 % certain

[touring fan01]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Yes they can (unless a post season rule change has been implemented that I've missed OR I can't understand the rules!). Just not a particular example - e.g. Aidan Moffat could not take a chassis he runs in BTCC and run it in TCT. He could however take a sister car that isn't being run in BTCC and run it in TCT.

theyre obviously not allowed otherwise some teams would have been racing or testing with a spare car in ttt or britcar or wherever (apart from the old gprm cars)

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Yes they can (unless a post season rule change has been implemented that I've missed OR I can't understand the rules!). Just not a particular example - e.g. Aidan Moffat could not take a chassis he runs in BTCC and run it in TCT. He could however take a sister car that isn't being run in BTCC and run it in TCT.

Comes under the testing regs (section 6.11)
"For the avoidance of doubt any testing or competing by any registered driver, team or entrant of any kind whatsoever and regardless of the type of vehicle cannot be undertaken at a venue using a circuit configuration which largely consists of that which is used at a Meeting of the 2019 Championship until after that Meeting, unless with the specific written authorisation of the Administrator"

In your example, Aiden Moffat would be forbidden from competing either way. The choice of car would be irrelevant.

As said earlier, in practice it's almost unheard of for Gow not to approve a request to race elsewhere, although the situation of running a current-ish spec NGTC car might not be so clear cut.

[RS67]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Which in 18 was not the same as WSR but was the same in 19. My guess is a Team Hard value deal will mop up old obsolete 18 units which presumably also means it wont get screwed by any WSR BOP changes thru 20

As Boardley owns the car, I would assume he is paying for the engines as well, not HARD.

[porsche962fan]

but on the other hand WSR probably won't give out the latest equipment to customers or demand too much $$$


Jelley had the same engine as WSR simply because WSR didn't do any developments at all as they were busy with the actual car the new 3 series


but if they did engine development over the winter customers will probably have to use the same as they used this year

of course Boardley could simply use the TOCA unit instead

[Pickles]

You'd think the TOCA engine would be the most likely option considering HARD are running the car for him