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20 Mar 2010, 10:47 (Ref:2656307)
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I think the turns at Daytona are enough larger than Texas that blacking out wouldn't be the concern. Hitting 225mph with a solid wall right there if anything goes wrong would be a problem for an F1 car. Also, I would expect the Daytona sportscar course to have a similar average speed to the current Watkins Glen GP circuit (145-150mph), which the F1 guys would say is too fast.
Spa, Silverstone, Monza, and maybe Suzuka get away with average lap speeds that high because of grandfathering, but all of the more recently added F1 circuits have average speeds of less than 140mph, and usually less than 135mph. |
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20 Mar 2010, 17:16 (Ref:2656633)
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It's very hard for me to see F1 returning to the US anywhere other than Indy anytime soon.
It's the only permanent course that would even be a consideration. Any other course would require such massive upgrades as be completely impractical. Indy already has the required safety modifications in place, with the infrastructure around it to handle a major event. And yes, the infield is Mickey Mouse, and the track pales next to places like Spa or Monza. It also provided some of the best viewing spots around, and had arguably the best passing opportunity on any F1 track -- turn one, coming off the massive straight. And to suggest that the race had little support is totally counter to the facts. Even after the 2005 debacle it still drew a bigger crowd than virtually any other race on the calendar, with a very large percentage of that crowd flying thousands of miles to get to the race. A street course in New York would be a massive pain in the rear for the city and the city wouldn't get anything out of it. I love the idea of a street race along the Strip in Las Vegas, but I just don't see anywhere it would work. Practically every square inch is developed there. You couldn't even recreate the Caesar's race, because all the surface parking lots have been replaced by multi-story garages. Long Beach remains a possibility, I suppose, depending on the contract language with the IRL. It's really a pretty awful course now, though. They completely neutered the old F1 layout. I can see Miami as a destination that makes some sense, or possibly Chicago. I don't know either city well enough to know where you might put a street circuit and whether that might work. One I would love to see (but have never heard mentioned) is San Diego. I would think you could put together a decent street circuit down on the waterfront near the convention center. Beautiful location, great city. |
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20 Mar 2010, 17:25 (Ref:2656642)
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The only track for F1 now is Indianapolis, but Watkins Glen comes to mind.
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20 Mar 2010, 17:27 (Ref:2656646)
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Indy is the right place for F1 in America, as you say it has viewing and seating up the ying yang and the ticket price is right...
The infield section while a little lame provides a very interesting challenge for the race engineers.. "Welcome to the forum! have lots of fun posting... 
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20 Mar 2010, 17:29 (Ref:2656652)
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20 Mar 2010, 17:54 (Ref:2656703)
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I still like Longbeach. They've been racing there since 1975, it already has the infrastructure and because of its proximity to LA. As much as I like Watkins Glen, it would take millions to get it up to Bernie's spec.
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20 Mar 2010, 18:38 (Ref:2656740)
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20 Mar 2010, 19:43 (Ref:2656770)
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The Las Vegas course they used in Champ Car a few years back was actually really good, especially for a street circuit. Although I suppose because it was set downtown rather than next door to all the known casino landmarks it wouldn't have the necessary lure for Bernie/F1.
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20 Mar 2010, 19:55 (Ref:2656775)
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A road course event at Indy would be far more profitable if they ran it as a later season event on the IndyCar schedule. Comparatively speaking, it would cost them next to nothing and draw better than an F1 race.
Those of you who are dedicated to asphalt analysis should read up on the run-off modifications recently made to Watkins Glen. Perhaps you'd find that some of your concerns have already been addressed. Montreal is fine by me, and fans with enough interest are willing to make the treck as Dutton pointed out. NaBU: "sweet money", that's a good one. It isn't a common expression in English, but it should be. |
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20 Mar 2010, 21:45 (Ref:2656836)
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However, the fans and attendance were better than you get at any of the new circuits. The stands were full at Indianapolis, and like jab said, several times the numbers at other venues. That warrants going to America again. But of course Bernie doesn't like the fact that tickets there were actually affordable for common folk. Like so many have already said, until he's gone, there's nothing. "Wrong type of people". Like others have said, what an elitist piece of horse****. |
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If someone bought Autobahn and fixed it up, that would be perfect. Outside of Chicago, couple hours away from Indy, centrally located.
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20 Mar 2010, 22:14 (Ref:2656873)
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20 Mar 2010, 22:17 (Ref:2656880)
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I love Watkins Glen don't get me wrong, and you have said the rest..
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ACC is a possible, it would obviously need new pits and possibly some widening in places. I'd go for on the outside between T10 and T11 myself, but it is a possible if they're willing to put the money in.
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The track layouts at Autobahn and Barber really are not well-suited to F1, or any other class of high-horsepower automobile, to be honest. They have quite a few of those, long, medium-speed corners, where you can't pass anyone, and are just stuck in traffic.
They have short straights. The longest "straight" at Barber is ~1,700ft. The longest flat-out run at Autobahn doesn't look to be more than, maybe, 10% of the lap distance, so no more than 1,900ft. They have relatively few, fast corners (especially Autobahn). They also just try to jam a lot of corners into the lap. Depending on how you count, it comes out to 17 turns in 2.3 miles at Barber, and 23 turns in 3.6 miles at Autobahn. |
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21 Mar 2010, 05:19 (Ref:2657032)
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The problem of the Indy road course was the corners after the backstraight. They didn't allow much overtaking. I know that it's been changed for the MotoGP races - you tell me if it works or not.
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Will F1 return to Indianapolis?
Not while Bernie's in charge.
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The combination :P is supposed to do the same as
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