Dont know if anyone has heard.....

[kylekosir]

I don't know if anyone has heard,
I was reading in a local paper, and living in Canada, the Canadian Goverment is going to be pushing the law of the "Canadian tobacco act"

Meaning because of the Renault for this season is the old colours of the Players gold color, and from a cigarette pack, they might ban or even ask Renault to change colours for a weekend.

ridiculous to me..

[andy666]

So are they also going to ask Ferrari to change the Marlboro red and white ?

[kylekosir]

who knows, I doubt it. Just doesn't make sense.... I was kinda confused, when I raced in F1200 (Formula VEE) I saw an old 1980's porsche with original Rothmans Sponsorship on it, and I asked the team owner why that wasn't taken off? He said its its prior to 1998 it can be kept. Anything from 1998 and forward has a 5 year grace period on changing sponsorship. And that's in Canada. So its weird. Doesn't make sense to me....

[andy666]

So the Porsche was still racing round with tobacco sponsorship ? 5 year grace period or not its still advertising .

[kylekosir]

Originally Posted by andy666

So the Porsche was still racing round with tobacco sponsorship ? 5 year grace period or not its still advertising .

Yup, he was racing. I was confused...

[newlaprecord]

The funny thing is Ferrari still receives sponsorship from Philip Morris just to have those stripes somewhat resembling a pack of Malboro on their cars. Renault in the meanwhile, I wouldnt think has any backing in any form from Imperial Tobbacos (the company behind JPS) do they? At this rate they could ban me some kid playing basketball in a black tee wearing a gold chain

[willb]

i read the summary of the act.
http://www.media-awareness.ca/englis...obacco_act.cfm
has a link to the full act

According to what it says
"Depict (in whole or in part) any tobacco product, or its package or brand — or even any imagery that might evoke a product or brand (section 22) "

Ferrari might(?) fall under the last part though it does not bear any resemblance to the actual Marlboro package.

Even the JPS paint scheme on the Renault doesn't depict the actual package.

So it looks like Canada would have to ban both paint schemes if it bans one. Ferrari would only have to paint the white stripes red to match the rest of the car while Renault could do something similar.

[ASCII Man]

Or just not have a race in Canada?

[Bononi]

Better off without...

[Steve Milward]

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Or just not have a race in Canada?

I doubt very much that one of the most exciting races of 2010 would be removed from the F1 calendar for this reason. Just change the paint on the offending bodywork.

[dyewat808]

Originally Posted by Mildrop

I doubt very much that one of the most exciting races of 2010 would be removed from the F1 calendar for this reason. Just change the paint on the offending bodywork.

Exactly, although with Bernie you never know...

[Steven Humphrey]

Originally Posted by kylekosir

who knows, I doubt it. Just doesn't make sense.... I was kinda confused, when I raced in F1200 (Formula VEE) I saw an old 1980's porsche with original Rothmans Sponsorship on it, and I asked the team owner why that wasn't taken off? He said its its prior to 1998 it can be kept. Anything from 1998 and forward has a 5 year grace period on changing sponsorship. And that's in Canada. So its weird. Doesn't make sense to me....

There's a lot of classics running regularly over here with tobacco sponsorship - JPS, Gold Leaf, Marlboro, Rizla (not strictly tobacco) Silk Cut etc. There's even an old F1 car with Penthouse sponsorship! Some loophole in the law regarding period liveries I think.

[Bononi]

Bernie might not want to race in Canada this way...

[Marbot]

It may be that things will get sorted out between Renault and Lotus before then.

[duke_toaster]

Originally Posted by Steven Humphrey

There's a lot of classics running regularly over here with tobacco sponsorship - JPS, Gold Leaf, Marlboro, Rizla (not strictly tobacco) Silk Cut etc. There's even an old F1 car with Penthouse sponsorship! Some loophole in the law regarding period liveries I think.

Has there been legal attempts to ban Penthouse-style publications from advertising though? Similar outfits sponsor all sorts of things in Europe. As far as Rizla, they aren't covered by the tobacco advertising ban. King Size Rizlas though, they're nothing to do with tobacco

[kylekosir]

Ya there is deff a loop whole, and reading earlier. JPS not associtiated with Renault- Lotus this season.

But Don't Cancel the Canadian GP again. Im going again this season.....

Maybe a FB group should go out, because for the past 2 years, if there was a Facebook group that went agains't the goverment, they changed it. Wierd eh

[courageous]

Originally Posted by Steven Humphrey

There's a lot of classics running regularly over here with tobacco sponsorship - JPS, Gold Leaf, Marlboro, Rizla (not strictly tobacco) Silk Cut etc. There's even an old F1 car with Penthouse sponsorship! Some loophole in the law regarding period liveries I think.

The loophole is that tobacco Sponsership is banned, but as the tobacco companies are not giving any money to those running the livery it isn't sponsership.
Sounds like the wording in the Canadian law blocks that.

[newlaprecord]

Im all for anti-tobacco, pro-health, but the sad thing is, the way Canadians go about this is contradictory to the whole concept of being anti-tobacco. If you think about it, who profits of this whole drama? JPS that's who. They get media coverage for absolutely nothing. That's the only thing that is happening, everybody is getting more aware of the brand, so well done.

Here is a crazy theory (emphasis on theory), I wouldnt be surprised if Imperial Tobacco (the owner of the JPS brand) was behind the whole story, persuading some relevant Canadian state officer to file this case. Regardless the outcome (maybe Renault has to repaint their cars, so what) Imperial Tobacco will be more than pleased as the whole thing makes the media and fans talk about their product.

[kylekosir]

It also doesn't make sense why the government is making a big deal of a car that isn't even getting profit from John Players to use a car like that.

And Why the Canadian Government is complaining, I'm not sure? There the ones making a big portion of money from Tobacco that goes to them.