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Old 9 Feb 2007, 04:56 (Ref:1836959)   #1
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Legrand Formula A and B

How many Legrand Formula A and B cars are left in existence.

I know of one formula B, with TC ford and I have heard of a factory car with Alfa TC.
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Old 9 Feb 2007, 08:45 (Ref:1837120)   #2
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A very good question. I know of two or three Formula A LeGrand Mk7s but I've been struggling to find any more. See http://www.oldracingcars.com/f5000/legrand/mk7.htm

There should also be lots of Mk3 FBs around somewhere.

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Old 12 Feb 2007, 12:59 (Ref:1839368)   #3
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used to work on a formula A Legrand here in Kansas City which was owned by a TWA pilot named Gene Forstefell. He latter got a Formula B LeGrand in which he installed a Mazda Rotary. What a screamer!
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Old 12 Feb 2007, 19:24 (Ref:1839706)   #4
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used to work on a formula A Legrand here in Kansas City which was owned by a TWA pilot named Gene Forstefell. He latter got a Formula B LeGrand in which he installed a Mazda Rotary. What a screamer!
Do you remember anything about that car? Gene Forsthofel raced a LeGrand Mk 7 at Mid-America Raceway and Olathe Airfield in 1970 and then advertised a "F/A LeGrand Wedge" in Autoweek on 3 Apr 1971 but I don't know anything more than that. It's one of my "mystery cars".

The FB he had later would be the Mk 14 he raced at Monterrey in 1971 with a Ford engine and then with a Mazda engine at Lake Garnett and Mid-America Raceway in 1972. In 1971 he'd also driven something called a "Leonizer" at Mexico City, a week after the Monterrey event.

Any of this ring any bells?

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Old 14 Feb 2007, 07:17 (Ref:1840995)   #5
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I have located, chassis No. 1. It is MK3B built April 1965. It has the Alfa Romeo twin cam. Would this be the actual factory car?
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Old 14 Feb 2007, 10:08 (Ref:1841126)   #6
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Quite possibly, although the first Mk 3 is said to have gone to Fred Hummell. Does it actually have a chassis plate identifying it as chassis No 1? I have never seen a LeGrand chassis plate and wasn't sure if the cars carried them.

Have you seen this page?

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Old 14 Feb 2007, 23:10 (Ref:1841777)   #7
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Allen,

Thanks for the info.

Yes, it does have a chassis plate and I have seen it first hand.

Definately No. 1, manufactured 4/65. I believe the only factory Alfa powered car and most likely the car that took Earl Jones to success in the SCCA run offs at Dayton in November of 1965.

Would appreciate any confirmation or correction to the above from anyone that may know more.

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Old 14 Feb 2007, 23:20 (Ref:1841779)   #8
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Allen,

If you like, I can send you a picture of the chassis plate?
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Old 15 Feb 2007, 07:41 (Ref:1841946)   #9
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Would like that very much. allen@oldracingcars.com

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I checked my sources. It was an article in Autoweek 15 Feb 1969 p10 that said the first Mk 3 went to Fred Hummell. It implies the second went to Karl Knapp and the third as a FB for Bruce Eglington and later for Earl Jones. So Jones' Run-Offs car looks like it was chassis 3.

Bruce might be able to remember more: http://www.bruceeglinton.com/

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Old 19 Feb 2007, 20:33 (Ref:1845822)   #11
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Do you remember anything about that car? Gene Forsthofel raced a LeGrand Mk 7 at Mid-America Raceway and Olathe Airfield in 1970 and then advertised a "F/A LeGrand Wedge" in Autoweek
Another opportunity for my old friend JJordan and me to interact. I wrote an article with photos for Autoweek, it ran under my by-line sometime (memory way hazy on the date) in 1972 give or take a year, on Gene Forstefel and his Mazda engined LeGrand as it was built up in mid-town Kansas City. The car was dark red, a wedge shape with front radiator. It was classed Formula A (predecessor to F5000) and while it made a hell of a shriek around the course, it was slower than drying paint.
I honestly can't recall, but I think this car had a monocoque tub and all the rear members had to be fabricated from tubing to hold the weird rotary. If LeGrand didn't make small tubs in those days then I'm mistaken and it was an older tube framed FB.
If I can find the pictures I'll post.
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Old 19 Feb 2007, 20:49 (Ref:1845837)   #12
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OK, now that I've figured how to spell the man's name correctly, ( Gene Forsthofel ) research is somewhat easier. The chassis might have been a Mk 14 FB (and was if that was a wedge monocoque).

As another aside, both the factory LeGrand FB cars which competed against Gus Hutchison in 1967/8 were powered by TwinCam Alfas. More to follow...

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Old 20 Feb 2007, 02:34 (Ref:1846051)   #13
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Further research has indicated that the Forsthofel LeGrand Mazda FA(5000) was indeed the monocoque tub FB version.

I don't know how to include this without attribution, so if that means more "red points," so be it.....

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The ’72 Mk14 was the most radical and advanced car LeGrand was to build. A replacement for the aging Mk6 FB car, the Mk14 featured a completely new chassis and had the potential to move LeGrand Racecars from the ranks of club racer to the professionals. The chassis was fully monocoque, the only LeGrand to use this construction. The chassis was beautifully made, was reasonably light and very stiff, able to get the power to the wheels. Front and rear wings were now standard fare in 1972. Only 2 examples of Mk14 cars were reported to have been built.
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Old 23 Feb 2007, 01:38 (Ref:1849573)   #14
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Have been threatening to go through my logbooks in the basement for sometime now, maybe this and a good rainy weekend will get me moving.
The Mk 7 was really pretty basic and I am sure that it was sold with the same bodywork that it came with. Where the term "wedge" came from is totally unknown as it was well built but hardly aero. Sort of like the Lola 140's of that era. The FB with the Mazda however had a red/scarlet body that looked to be locally fabricated and definately had a wedge look to it, the engine was soooo loud that it was hard to notice much else about the car.
Forsthofel drove the FA in all the usual Midwest venues: Ponca City, Lake Afton, the airport races at Olathe, Hutchison, but anyone around here always considered Mid America Raceway in Wentzville as our "home" track.
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Old 23 Feb 2007, 09:30 (Ref:1849765)   #15
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I have photos of that Mk14 and detailed engine installation shots which I'll post before too long, I hope.
JJ, you remember Smiley running MAR backwards when the testing got too routine? That was something to see in the Mk20 with FB slicks on the rear. Great old times.
What THE..........>?

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