Nissan GT-R GT3

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Honestly what you've said is a pile of absolute nonsense. You're pretty much speaking from a position where you don't actually know what the car costs to produce or what the returns are for that car and you're trying to say they should sell them for less, especially because it's a Nissan. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Partly only, then how comes is more expensive than other GT3? If the car wasn't competitive enough its their problem, if they need more inversion to make it competitive due to their old design, if you reflect those costs on the car then Ur car has lesser possibilities to be sold in front of absolute legends like 458 Italia.

(And that's why i blame nissan of not seeing their cars as massively as SLS,Audi,Mcs,458,Lambos..).

[MitchZ06]

The GTR as a badge is an absolute legend and that is the badge that's sought after if we're going to talk about this. Why else would it be nicknamed 'Godzilla' if it was "oh just a Nissan"? The car is capable, it just needs a pro team the likes of MarcVDS or Vita4One to get the best of it (same could be said for any car really).

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

The GTR as a badge is an absolute legend and that is the badge that's sought after if we're going to talk about this. Why else would it be nicknamed 'Godzilla' if it was "oh just a Nissan"? The car is capable, it just needs a pro team the likes of MarcVDS or Vita4One to get the best of it (same could be said for any car really).

That happened to JRM in GT1, but in GT3 with the V6 I don't/haven't see/seen lots of teams purchasing that car, i'm only guessing why is this happening... And i find 337,500€ too much to purchase the only V6 with no warantees of a success in the GT3 grid, despite the Skyline heritage.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

The 2013 Model Nissan GT-R Nismo GT3 Released
http://www.nismo.co.jp/en/news_list/...sh/120004.html

Somehow I'm a bit surprised that they released the new GT-R under GT3 racing specs. The GT-R Nismo GT3 isn't getting much popularity in the Blancpain Endurance Series, and with the single GT class merging rule coming in 2015 and the American merger for the Rolex Sports Car Series and American Le Mans coming in 2014, I don't understand why they don't simply dig in their heels and start a small team in American Le Mans like Alex Job Racing did with Lotus. They are way better off doing this, in my opinion, than floundering around in no-man's land for another two years in the Blancpain Endurance Series or Super GT.

Then again, it's not surprising since teams don't seem to like much change in their regiment unless they are absolutely forced to change, and it would be minimally cheaper to run this route.

IDK :/

[Simmi]

Originally Posted by Beetle

Somehow I'm a bit surprised that they released the new GT-R under GT3 racing specs. The GT-R Nismo GT3 isn't getting much popularity in the Blancpain Endurance Series, and with the single GT class merging rule coming in 2015 and the American merger for the Rolex Sports Car Series and American Le Mans coming in 2014, I don't understand why they don't simply dig in their heels and start a small team in American Le Mans like Alex Job Racing did with Lotus. They are way better off doing this, in my opinion, than floundering around in no-man's land for another two years in the Blancpain Endurance Series or Super GT.

Then again, it's not surprising since teams don't seem to like much change in their regiment unless they are absolutely forced to change, and it would be minimally cheaper to run this route.

IDK :/

Surely making an evolution of your existing car is a lot easier and cheaper than making a brand new GTE. Plus they will likely sell more GT3 variants. No matter what they make it should still be grandfathered into the new regs.

Maybe a few heads will have been turned by the performances in British GT.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Beetle

Somehow I'm a bit surprised that they released the new GT-R under GT3 racing specs. The GT-R Nismo GT3 isn't getting much popularity in the Blancpain Endurance Series, and with the single GT class merging rule coming in 2015 and the American merger for the Rolex Sports Car Series and American Le Mans coming in 2014, I don't understand why they don't simply dig in their heels and start a small team in American Le Mans like Alex Job Racing did with Lotus. They are way better off doing this, in my opinion, than floundering around in no-man's land for another two years in the Blancpain Endurance Series or Super GT.

Then again, it's not surprising since teams don't seem to like much change in their regiment unless they are absolutely forced to change, and it would be minimally cheaper to run this route.

IDK :/

The fact you think coming second in Super GT is "no-mans land" is absolutely laughable.

Originally Posted by urdragon

Partly only, then how comes is more expensive than other GT3? If the car wasn't competitive enough its their problem, if they need more inversion to make it competitive due to their old design, if you reflect those costs on the car then Ur car has lesser possibilities to be sold in front of absolute legends like 458 Italia.

(And that's why i blame nissan of not seeing their cars as massively as SLS,Audi,Mcs,458,Lambos..).

what part of "its not the most expensive car in the class at all" didn't you understand?

[rich07]

Im surprised that the car hasnt flourished more in BES, seems to be doing alright in British GT and Super GT. The car has had some teething problems and hopefully they have been addressed in this latest car. Tony Quinn was looking at buying a GT-R GT3 for Aus GT but I think he has brought a McLaren instead.

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by Matt

what part of "its not the most expensive car in the class at all" didn't you understand?

Ok, given you are the boss in terms of GT3 cars knowledge, please list all the prizes of all the GT3 (6-10 Factory more built) cars or make the extensive research to validate your own words..

[MitchZ06]

Before he does why don't you urdragon? Afterall you're the one that's claiming it's more expensive than the others....

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Before he does why don't you urdragon? Afterall you're the one that's claiming it's more expensive than the others....

Okay:

[urdragon]

Official prices:

Z4 GT3:

http://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/cars/bmw-z4-gt3.html

340,000 €


GTR GT3:

http://www.nismo.co.jp/en/news_list/...sh/120004.html

£ 270,000 Ç= 336 274 €


LP600+:

http://www.reiter-engineering.com/photo/LP600+.pdf

288.500 EUR (+ VAT)


Non official prices:


MP412C GT3

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/mclaren...-ar101965.html

£310,000 = 386 092 €



R8 LMS ULTRA GT3

http://www.thesupercars.org/audi/201...-r8-lms-ultra/

$429,497.00 = 337 159 €



SLS AMG GT3

http://gt1world.com/competitors/deta...ich-motorsport
http://automovilzona.com/2012/01/29/...oche-de-serie/

Price: € 334 000 (excel VAT)



458 Italia GT3

http://gt1world.com/competitors/details/af-corse

Price: € 350 000 (excel VAT)



PORSCHE 997 GT3 R

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/4...997-GT3-R.html

304,500 Euro

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[MitchZ06]

So it's cheaper than the Z4, McLaren, on par with the R8 and SLS, a bit cheaper than the 458 with the 911 being the cheapest. Care to drop the argument on the pricing?

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

So it's cheaper than the Z4, McLaren, on par with the R8 and SLS, a bit cheaper than the 458 with the 911 being the cheapest. Care to drop the argument on the pricing?

It doesn't have Le Mans history, and no Skyline heritage, the price should be same as the Lamborghini.. < 310 000. The Z4 is overpriced also, but it performs.

[MitchZ06]

Sell it at a loss because it's slow. I fail to see the logic in that, care to explain? It performed plenty well in the British GT and SuperGT, all it really needs in BES and other series' is a better team with all Pro drivers.

[urdragon]

I missed AM :

Vantage V12 GT3

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/V...GT3-2011-08-24


£298,000 = 371,0696 €

Sell it at loss to promote the car seeing the car compete with the other GT3's, if a car does not race is uncompetitive anyway, the problem then is Nissan is not interested in GT3, their drivers are racing SuperGT (Krumm) or the wec. So then if there are no PRO drivers shared there is no pro driver team.

[urdragon]

I'm guessing why British cars are so expensive?, may be related to London paying less taxes than other countries (The city has more tax free management that's why there are so many supercars at london...), so the final sum Price+Taxes will be the same? I wonder why Mac's and AM are so expensive.

[MJ_N_09]

We get it. You don't like the GT-R and don't want anyone to race it.

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by MJ_N_09

We get it. You don't like the GT-R and don't want anyone to race it.

Nope, I like the GT-R (A lot, that's why I expect better prices that permitted it to be really sold for what you offer) but would (If i could) buy the road version more than this racing one according to actual prices and what you offer. It's called to be fair.

[TF110]

The car is fine, there's nothing wrong with the prices. It's performance has been showed in SGT GT300 class, and by the GT Academy driver. Its been improved upon for next year. Whats the big deal?

[rich07]

Originally Posted by TF110

The car is fine, there's nothing wrong with the prices. It's performance has been showed in SGT GT300 class, and by the GT Academy driver. Its been improved upon for next year. Whats the big deal?

This.

And besides Nismo never do anything on the cheap so keep that in mind.

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by TF110

It's performance has been showed in SGT GT300 class.

Okay a 4th place is not overwhelming but as it says the expression "we accept a car* as pet" we would say in Scattergories (No so bad results last year.).

*(Nissan GT-R GT3)

[MitchZ06]

Don't worry urdragon, it's obvious you think it's just a Datsun...

That said, 4th is better than last (in SGT) and first is better than last (in BGT).

[urdragon]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Don't worry urdragon, it's obvious you think it's just a Datsun...

I was laughing!, don't misunderstand me i like the GTR. In fact i have the 1:43 version of both the Sumo Power and the JRM GT1 GT-R's...

[urdragon]

GT Spirit: Official: 2013 Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3

Cool Video

[urdragon]

Can't have more aero at the front:





Ugly.



Beautiful back like allways.