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Old 1 Dec 2019, 10:54 (Ref:3943997)   #1
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Lydden Hill Rallycross 7th Dec

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Not too sure whether the entry is very strong but this could be worth a look
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Old 1 Dec 2019, 16:41 (Ref:3944062)   #2
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Not too sure whether the entry is very strong but this could be worth a look
Hopefully the entry list will be out before the weekend. There seems to be more interest from the drivers on Facebook, so hopefully enough cars to make it worth the drive.
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Old 2 Dec 2019, 10:58 (Ref:3944212)   #3
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It's going to depend on the strength of the entry whether I make the trip or not - hopefully it'll be well supported, the winter rounds are generally good fun.
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I was looking forward to going depending on entry but once again work going to be calling so a no go. There dose seam to be a bit more interest from teams so hopefully will be a good turn out.


From the regulations that were put out before the first round the catogries max entries are below:


Category Maximum Entry
4wd 12
2wd up to 1600cc 12
2wd above 1600cc 12
Classic & Retro 10
Juniors 10


If the get to fill those enteries it would be a great days racing.
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Those numbers would definitely be enough to justify the drive: though I already have racing withdrawal, so just half those will probably be enough to get me to Lydden!
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Those numbers would definitely be enough to justify the drive: though I already have racing withdrawal, so just half those will probably be enough to get me to Lydden!
As you say, the withdrawals are already setting in, local banger meeting doesn't quite tick the right box although it's better than nothing - looks like a two and half hour trip for me coming up!
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Old 5 Dec 2019, 14:11 (Ref:3944978)   #7
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Entry list now up:



Was hoping for some more cars in 4WD, but should be enough cars to give some racing in the other classes.
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Lydden wasn't as cold as I thought it was going to be! Some close racing (particularly the Juniors) although attrition seemed quite high. Good to have the winter series back again.
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Lydden wasn't as cold as I thought it was going to be! Some close racing (particularly the Juniors) although attrition seemed quite high. Good to have the winter series back again.
Temperature seemed to really drop after three, but was better than I was expecting as well!

Agree with regards to the rate of attrition: was hoping to see more of the Retro field make it to the Super Final. Some good races though and great to have a bit of motorsport this late in the year again.
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Temperature seemed to really drop after three, but was better than I was expecting as well!

Agree with regards to the rate of attrition: was hoping to see more of the Retro field make it to the Super Final. Some good races though and great to have a bit of motorsport this late in the year again.
The blue Fiesta from the modified class was strong all day and really challenged the Belgian Escort in the final until a drive shaft broke although the driver didn't seem too disappointed after the race. The BMW was great entertainment throughout the day, how the car stands up to that amount of punishment is amazing.
As you say, great to have a bit of motorsport this late in the year. Sorry Bert I'm pretty sure I recognized you wandering round with camera in hand but my brain was elsewhere! It's my first visit to Lydden this year and I was impressed with the general appearance of the venue, it's certainly improved over the past few years.
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The Results from the event.

Yes it definelty looks the part Lydden now. Not sure whats happening with the Pitlane Planning.
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The blue Fiesta from the modified class was strong all day and really challenged the Belgian Escort in the final until a drive shaft broke although the driver didn't seem too disappointed after the race. The BMW was great entertainment throughout the day, how the car stands up to that amount of punishment is amazing.
Shame for Fred, he was really flying in the Super Final: I assume it was his excursion over the grass that broke the driveshaft?

Was hoping to see a bit more of John Cross, I know it's not a genuine Stratos, but I still think its a cracking car. I have never seen Vince on track and not be entertaining. His BMW is probably the plainest looking car on the grid, but he always drives it flat out.

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Yes it definelty looks the part Lydden now. Not sure whats happening with the Pitlane Planning.
Was wondering that yesterday: sure they were talking about the latest planning permission in June or July, so surely they should have a decision soon?
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The blue Fiesta from the modified class was strong all day and really challenged the Belgian Escort in the final until a drive shaft broke although the driver didn't seem too disappointed after the race. The BMW was great entertainment throughout the day, how the car stands up to that amount of punishment is amazing.
I think if Ovenden had been there with the Clio it would have been a different story - Ling was certainly quick but the Fiesta is still some way off the pace of the Clio. It'd be good to see Ling doing some of the British championship rounds next season to see where he sits in terms of pace compared with the other regulars.

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Sorry Bert I'm pretty sure I recognized you wandering round with camera in hand but my brain was elsewhere!
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It's my first visit to Lydden this year and I was impressed with the general appearance of the venue, it's certainly improved over the past few years.
Lydden has definitely improved - the converted shipping containers work well as food outlets and look much better than the tatty trailers they replaced (also the pigs in blankets hotdog was nice ). The toilets in the paddock are better than they used to be and were clean all day (helped but the low number of people there I suppose), the toilets on the hill are still an abomination though

I thought on the whole it was a good meeting - could do with more entries but it had a generally relaxed vibe to it and was a proper 'clubman' meeting. If the winter series can become established it offers a relatively cheap way into the sport.
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Old 9 Dec 2019, 21:37 (Ref:3945819)   #14
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I think Lydden have the right idea here and also, potentially a way to perhaps start to repair damage that has been done for decades now.
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Simon Arran's right up for motorsport magazine echoes the sentiment regarding lack of spectators:
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...tH2fpB81rvj_Io
I wonder how many local people were aware of the event let alone those more geographically removed, it seems that only a few hardy(and possibly slightly mad) people attend such obscure "clubbie" meetings.
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I wonder how many local people were aware of the event let alone those more geographically removed, it seems that only a few hardy(and possibly slightly mad) people attend such obscure "clubbie" meetings.
If it wasn't for tenths I wouldn't have known about it either - I don't use Facebook and that seems to be the only place it was publicised. I follow the Lydden account on Twitter but there wasn't a peep about it on there.

If you look at the number of people that watch the circuit based rallies over the winter you can see that there is an audience out there (although the next winter rallycross round does clash with the Brands Hatch stage rally I think?). Hopefully the entries will continue to rise for the remaining rounds of the winter series - if it can become an established feature again (rather than the "is it on or not" of recent times) then Lydden could be onto a good thing - providing "off season" action for both competitors and spactators.
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If it wasn't for work on Saturday I would have been there as a despite the entry being on the smaller side there was enough to sudjest a good days racing was possible and from the reports I've read thats exactly what happend. As for the lack of spectators, maybe that not such a bad thing for these first few meetings as i get the impression its all about Lydden learning how to run a full event, from start to finish and all the behind the scences things that need to be done. Hopefully the next round won't clash with the Brands Stages Rally as there are a few RX crews who have done that event in last few years.
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Lydden know perfectly well how to run an event surely, I have seen most of the people running events that are at Silverstone at Lydden too, it is the marshals and officials that do it, all Lydden do is the PR and basic organising and track hire primarily and they have been doing that for years now.

It's not a huge step up.

I worry about the numbers, it's great for someone like Arron to go there and be all nostalgic, but that few cars is not going to make it worthwhile for long, they must be making a huge loss, but it is their loss to make I guess.

Back in the day there was a winter series and also pretty much a summer one, plus full fields in national racing.

Don't forget the Dorans pretty much closed off Lydden to circuit racers, thereby closing off a nice little loop of Brands and Lydden for club racers.

The circuit rallies are only really well attended at Cadwell and Oulton, when I went to Brands it was quiet and Snettrton is aswell, praps a few hundred people. Cadwell was huge last year, and Oulton always seems to be.
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Lydden know perfectly well how to run an event surely, I have seen most of the people running events that are at Silverstone at Lydden too, it is the marshals and officials that do it, all Lydden do is the PR and basic organising and track hire primarily and they have been doing that for years now.
Agreed, there's nothing new in how the events are organised so they should have the hang of it by now.


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I worry about the numbers, it's great for someone like Arron to go there and be all nostalgic, but that few cars is not going to make it worthwhile for long, they must be making a huge loss, but it is their loss to make I guess.
I'm not sure what the break even point would be in terms of entries - having the organising club owning the circuit will help as circuit hire would be the biggest cost. As far as numbers go if the winter series runs all 4 events this time and is confirmed early for next winter then there may be more interest - for the clubman competitor it looks good value.

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Don't forget the Dorans pretty much closed off Lydden to circuit racers, thereby closing off a nice little loop of Brands and Lydden for club racers.
The problem for circuit racing is the state of the tarmac at Lydden - it just destroys tyres. The circuit needs resurfacing - but obviously that's a major expense so hasn't happened. Having said that there were some circuit racing meetings this season - but again if they're going to organise their own meetings it's going to take time (and money) to build up. That's where the loss of SEMSEC is felt - half day sprinting followed by half day racing with pretty open regulations in what was very much a clubman friendly set of championships.

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The circuit rallies are only really well attended at Cadwell and Oulton, when I went to Brands it was quiet and Snettrton is aswell, praps a few hundred people. Cadwell was huge last year, and Oulton always seems to be.
The circuit rallies don't get touring car sized crowds but I'd have thought they're comparable to club race meetings (and it's clearly worth it for MSV). If Lydden can attract a couple of hundred people for a winter rallycross meeting then it's a case of every little helps.

The use of social media by Lydden is very odd though - if you look at how MSV use it there is stuff fed out across the various channels on a regular basis, with Lydden it's pretty much radio silence. Given how easy it is to post previews of meetings, entrylists, a quick report and a few photos from a meeting I don't understand why Lydden are so bad at it? Being better at that would help get more people through the gates surely?
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they must be making a huge loss, but it is their loss to make I guess.
Are they though? What actual costs have they got?

From the top of my head:
Permit fees
Rescue
Doctor
Recovery (possibly in house anyway)
Security/gate staff? Wouldn't be surprised if that's volunteers or local charity who get a cut of the gate.

I'm not suggesting that they're running it well, but I wouldn't be surprised if the event is wiping it's face.
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Can't see an entry list for this weekend's winter series at Lydden Hill...?
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Can't see an entry list for this weekend's winter series at Lydden Hill...?
Radio silence from Lydden still - it's really not hard is it? All they need to do is post something on Facebook and Twitter. Come on Lydden - we all want it to succeed, don't make it harder than it needs to be!
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Seems crazy that small motor clubs run by volunteers can put out entry lists in advance, but companies like Lydden can't.

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Seems crazy that small motor clubs run by volunteers can put out entry lists in advance, but companies like Lydden can't.
Lydden aren't huge - in effect they are a small club. They used to be pretty good at putting out stuff on social media, presumably whoever used to do it isn't there any more and it's being forgotten about. It's a shame as it's an easy way for them to reach their audience and could be a positive for them.

The meeting is at least going ahead.
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