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21 Aug 2018, 10:05 (Ref:3845143)
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This is nothing to do with the FIA, as described above, in their eyes nothing has changed. ASNs are completely sovereign in their own borders, and any cross recognition of licences etc is, providing it meets certain statutes, an issue only for those ASNs concerned.
They do still have a carnet department however!
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21 Aug 2018, 10:07 (Ref:3845145)
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Having no vested interest in the subject, not even owning a passport, I should not comment, however, one point that makes me wonder is how do the customs (whoever they are) value a forty odd year old car?
You pay several £10,000's for a 1965 F3 car for instance (figure plucked from the ether), but at the end of the day it is an obsolete model, and worth only scrap value like any old banger.
Is there a book value available for official use?
Surely the value of any object is what someone is willing to pay for it, and who wants an out-dated racing car?
Just wondering.
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21 Aug 2018, 10:12 (Ref:3845146)
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Auction results, any one of the internet race car sales sites, private ads, there is a huge resource available to HMC.
A mate of mine bought a used Cannondale bike frame in the States on one of our trips, bought it home hand baggage and HMC valued it to within £10 of the price he paid privately.
They do know their job.
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21 Aug 2018, 10:28 (Ref:3845148)
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As ever Simon is talking bucket loads of common sense, and as he says we are all mushrooms.
On a lighter note, in my day in the late 70's and early 80's we always bought packets of 100 Marlboro's in the Duty Free Shop on the boat out and always found Customs men to be very helpful, but that was when the world was sensible
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Don't believe all you read on the Internet - William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616).
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21 Aug 2018, 10:29 (Ref:3845149)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield
Auction results, any one of the internet race car sales sites, private ads, there is a huge resource available to HMC.
A mate of mine bought a used Cannondale bike frame in the States on one of our trips, bought it home hand baggage and HMC valued it to within £10 of the price he paid privately.
They do know their job.
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Thanks Simon, the HMC know how to extract money from any situation …. well not from multi-national conglomerates - of course.
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21 Aug 2018, 10:51 (Ref:3845153)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simon Hadfield
Auction results, any one of the internet race car sales sites, private ads, there is a huge resource available to HMC.
A mate of mine bought a used Cannondale bike frame in the States on one of our trips, bought it home hand baggage and HMC valued it to within £10 of the price he paid privately.
They do know their job.
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Before the interweb became so popular they apparently asked people like Coys.
I wonder if they still use them?
Nowadays they apparently use "market value", so even if you have been lucky enough to buy something cheap the costs are based on a "real-world" value.
It was different before - one time when I was importing a large French car the customs guy said "that wasn't very expensive", I replied that it was all I could afford!
Another time a friend had just negotiated the import of a classic car, that was surprisingly affordable, and the customs officer said "That was cheap, I've just finished restoring a T-type MG"!
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21 Aug 2018, 11:02 (Ref:3845155)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bauble
Didn't some of them blighters shoot down your uncle? 
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Too funny . They did , of course, but unlike some of Mr Johnson's more rabid fans , my sense of identity doesn't stop with a rose tinted D Day with a Vera Lynn soundtrack .
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21 Aug 2018, 12:25 (Ref:3845171)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coppice
Too funny . They did , of course, but unlike some of Mr Johnson's more rabid fans , my sense of identity doesn't stop with a rose tinted D Day with a Vera Lynn soundtrack .
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The same blighters nearly killed me twice, with their bombs, and I spent a childhood in fear of Doodlebugs, so pardon me if I am less than enthusiastic about a united Eurpoe.
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21 Aug 2018, 13:02 (Ref:3845190)
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23/06/2016- that’s a long time ago, and where are we? Nowhere!
As has been said, the politicians involved in ongoing discussions will not be the slightest bit interested in how it affects motorsport around Europe, but if the eventual agreeement is for a ‘hard’ exit, then we have cause to be concerned. We are indeed mushrooms, and will likely be kept completely in the dark until the lights are suddenly turned on.....
I’m as far removed from being knowledgeable on the subject as anyone, but IMHO unless the unlikely happens and the agreement doesn’t affect borders and movement, then there is going to be a lot of scrambling around to sort out the detail- and it could be a very messy start to 2019...
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21 Aug 2018, 13:45 (Ref:3845200)
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Switzerland is a member of EFTA. Additionally Switzerland has a number of seperate agreements with EU.
(EFTA) = European Free Trade Association
EFTA has deals in place with the EU, which make goods traffic easier.
UK is not a member of the EFTA
Consequence: what happens at the Swiss / EU border is different to what will happen at UK / EU border, should there be no exit treaty.
Then the UK is a 3rd party state and WTO terms apply
Personally I am very much in favor of applying WTO terms to EU / UK goods traffic in both ways after Brexit. But that is, of course, my own personal opinion
RuE
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21 Aug 2018, 14:13 (Ref:3845205)
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The Honourable Mallett
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudernst
Consequence: what happens at the Swiss / EU border is different to what will happen at UK / EU border, should there be no exit treaty.
Then the UK is a 3rd party state and WTO terms apply
Personally I am very much in favor of applying WTO terms to EU / UK goods traffic in both ways after Brexit. But that is, of course, my own personal opinion
RuE
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That of course is the "no deal" Brexit which as you can see is not "no deal".
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21 Aug 2018, 15:07 (Ref:3845212)
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 Come on down and join me Delta
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Balls of steel (knob of butter) They're Asking For Larkins. ( Proper beer) not you're Eurofizz crap. Hace más calor en España. Me han conocido a hablar un montón cojones! Send any cheques and cash to PO box 1 Lagos Nigeria Africa !
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21 Aug 2018, 18:18 (Ref:3845241)
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Have you got a Spanish Passport Gordon?
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21 Aug 2018, 18:25 (Ref:3845242)
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Quote:
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Have you got a Spanish Passport Gordon?
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No but the guy on the passport control at Almeria airport always give me a wave when we are queuing up
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Balls of steel (knob of butter) They're Asking For Larkins. ( Proper beer) not you're Eurofizz crap. Hace más calor en España. Me han conocido a hablar un montón cojones! Send any cheques and cash to PO box 1 Lagos Nigeria Africa !
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21 Aug 2018, 18:25 (Ref:3845243)
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The Honourable Mallett
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He doesn't and won't need one. Where is this bullshit coming from? He had a UK passport when he bought the place.
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