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Old 23 Jun 2005, 23:29 (Ref:1338837)   #1
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So which BMW is going to win this weekend's races?

Having looked at the circuit its definately not going to be happy hunting ground for Alfa, very twisty with some long front-tyre-killing corners, especially the final turn, sheesh, reminds me of the final turn at Estoril.
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 07:12 (Ref:1338987)   #2
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And because of altitude engines will lose horsepower. Cars with heavy handicap will have a yet more difficult race at this circuit.
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 11:15 (Ref:1339123)   #3
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Though surely they are no more handicapped than anyone else? Its the same for everyone is it not?
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 13:17 (Ref:1339197)   #4
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Though surely they are no more handicapped than anyone else? Its the same for everyone is it not?
No.

Normally
* If a car weighs 1140 kg and has 270 bhp, this is 4.22 kg/bhp.
* If a car weighs 1200 kg (60 kg ballast) and has 270 bhp, this is 4.44 kg/bhp.
-> that is 0.22 kg/bhp extra

Because of the high altitude the engines produces say 20% less power
* If a car weighs 1140 kg and has 216 bhp, this is 5.27 kg/bhp.
* If a car weighs 1200 kg (60 kg ballast) and has 216 bhp, this is 5.55 kg/bhp.
-> that is 0.28 kg/bhp extra

So it is a bigger handicap.
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 16:07 (Ref:1339318)   #5
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OTOH, if adding race weights (artificially) keep the racing close and tight, won't it make it more entertaining. Perhaps a non-BMW/Alfa can win a race. Honda deserves. It would be encouraging for Chevy to win one as well.

The classic idealogy comes up again--are we unfairly punishing a team for putting together a competitive package!
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 16:22 (Ref:1339324)   #6
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No.

Normally
* If a car weighs 1140 kg and has 270 bhp, this is 4.22 kg/bhp.
* If a car weighs 1200 kg (60 kg ballast) and has 270 bhp, this is 4.44 kg/bhp.
-> that is 0.22 kg/bhp extra

Because of the high altitude the engines produces say 20% less power
* If a car weighs 1140 kg and has 216 bhp, this is 5.27 kg/bhp.
* If a car weighs 1200 kg (60 kg ballast) and has 216 bhp, this is 5.55 kg/bhp.
-> that is 0.28 kg/bhp extra

So it is a bigger handicap.
You couldn´t explain better. Thanks.
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 16:24 (Ref:1339327)   #7
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Are they using the Champ Car stadium section ?

Or the full Peralta ?
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 17:37 (Ref:1339367)   #8
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Are they using the Champ Car stadium section ?

Or the full Peralta ?
You're refering to the Hermanos Rodriguez racetrack in Mexico City

Miguel E. Abed racetrack is a completely rebuilded circuit, i knew the old one and in my opinion is a completly new one, is twisty because the circuit is in the infield of a 1.5 mile oval circuit, in the near future is proyected to be certify by NASCAR and i guess by the end of the year the mexican stock car series will start to race there

The circuit is incredible very well maded, is builded with the public in mind, from the place where i will watch the race (turn 1) i can see as far as the last corner

Future upgrades for the circuit are being planned for leave it even better than is right now
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 21:02 (Ref:1339501)   #9
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There used to be a Mexican Touring Car series using largely Dodge Neons. It's too bad if Mexico becomes a Nascar follower instead of a touring car one!
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 21:49 (Ref:1339535)   #10
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There used to be a Mexican Touring Car series using largely Dodge Neons. It's too bad if Mexico becomes a Nascar follower instead of a touring car one!
Well the Neon series still exists, in fact they will be running this weekend as a support race, unfortunaly the cars are no longer based in the production car (Chassis/bodywork), the cars are based on the production chassis, but the structure of the car is a tube frame cage builded under NASCAR standards and the bodywork is fibreglass...

Still they give good races but now the series is nore NASCAR/stock car oriented

Corona Cup series Renault Clio Cup championship is thye only and true touring series right now, unfortunatly is not scheduled for the weekend
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Old 24 Jun 2005, 21:52 (Ref:1339541)   #11
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Well the Neon series still exists, in fact they will be running this weekend as a support race, unfortunaly the cars are no longer based in the production car (Chassis/bodywork), the cars are based on the production chassis, but the structure of the car is a tube frame cage builded under NASCAR standards and the bodywork is fibreglass...

Still they give good races but now the series is nore NASCAR/stock car oriented

Corona Cup series Renault Clio Cup championship is thye only and true touring series right now, unfortunatly is not scheduled for the weekend

but with this weekend race that could change...
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Old 25 Jun 2005, 08:55 (Ref:1339718)   #12
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Friday practice times at Puebla:

1 Roberto COLCIAGO Honda Accord Euro R 1:33.836
2 James THOMPSON Alfa Romeo 156 1:34.067
3 Fabrizio GIOVANARDI Alfa Romeo 156 1:34.203
4 Jordi GENE SEAT Toledo Cupra 1:34.438
5 Andy PRIAULX BMW 320i 1:34.514
6 Tom CORONEL Seat Toledo Cupra 1:34.570
7 Antonio GARCIA BMW 320i 1:34.664
8 Alain MENU Chevrolet Lacetti 1:34.679
9 Rickard RYDELL SEAT Toledo Cupra 1:34.721
10 Jorg MULLER BMW 320i 1:34.846
11 Giuseppe CIRO BMW 320i 1:34.914
12 Gabriele TARQUINI Alfa Romeo 156 1:35.145
13 Stefano D'ASTE BMW 320i 1:35.201
14 Carlos MASTRETTA Seat Toledo Cupra 1:35.546
15 Augusto FARFUS JR. Alfa Romeo 156 1:35.620
16 Dirk MULLER BMW 320i 1:35.659
17 Peter TERTING SEAT Toledo Cupra 1:35.844
18 Adriano DE MICHELI Honda Accord Euro R 1:35.947
19 Alessandro ZANARDI BMW 320i 1:36.067
20 Jason PLATO Toledo Cupra 1:36.483
21 Robert HUFF Chevrolet Lacetti 1:36.977
22 Carl ROSENBLAD BMW 320i 1:39.321
23 Marc HENNERICI BMW 320i 1:41.131
24 Nicola LARINI Chevrolet Lacetti No time

Top-ten with five different manufacturers, could it be better?
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Old 25 Jun 2005, 10:42 (Ref:1339753)   #13
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Old 25 Jun 2005, 17:01 (Ref:1339950)   #14
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It seems to be very chaotic weekend so far. Dirty track(drivers complain about it) , casual rain during tests, and two red flags during 1st practice.

Thompson won 1st practice, second running now.

Practice 1 results

1 James THOMPSON Alfa Romeo 156 1:31.302
2 Augusto FARFUS JR. Alfa Romeo 156 1:31.345
3 Jordi GENE SEAT Toledo Cupra 1:31.540
4 Gabriele TARQUINI Alfa Romeo 156 1:31.704
5 Peter TERTING GER Toledo Cupra 1:31.785
6 Roberto COLCIAGO Honda Accord Euro R 1:31.973
7 Rickard RYDELL SEAT Toledo Cupra 1:32.081
8 Fabrizio GIOVANARDI Alfa Romeo 156 1:32.097
9 Andy PRIAULX BMW 320i 1:32.121
10 Robert HUFF Chevrolet Lacetti 1:32.190
11 Tom CORONEL Seat Toledo Cupra 1:32.329
12 Stefano D'ASTE BMW 320i 1:32.349
13 Nicola LARINI Chevrolet Lacetti 1:32.362
14 Jason PLATO SEAT Toledo Cupra 1:32.431
15 Dirk MULLER BMW 320i 1:32.485
16 Giuseppe CIRO BMW 320i 1:32.603
17 Antonio GARCIA BMW 320i 1:32.650
18 Adriano DE MICHELI Honda Accord Euro R 1:32.674
19 Alain MENU Chevrolet Lacetti 1:32.719
20 Alessandro ZANARDI BMW 320i 1:33.051
21 Carlos MASTRETTA Seat Toledo Cupra 1:33.051
22 Jorg MULLER BMW 320i 1:33.143
23 Carl ROSENBLAD BMW 320i 1:33.192
24 Marc HENNERICI BMW 320i 1:34.049
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Old 25 Jun 2005, 19:55 (Ref:1340028)   #15
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Is Chevy (and Ford if it would be) 10 kilos lighter? I know Ford suggested a weight reduction for "hatchback" cars, which SEAT seems to want too.
Sincerely i don´t like this kind of changes.
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Old 25 Jun 2005, 20:06 (Ref:1340043)   #16
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Is that snow or talc on the track? And the out-field is a ploughed field! So what's the problem with the RWD cars?
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Old 25 Jun 2005, 20:13 (Ref:1340051)   #18
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Gosh, another red flag!!
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Old 25 Jun 2005, 20:16 (Ref:1340055)   #19
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Love the pit lane tents - just like Knockhill but without the brilliant track!
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Old 25 Jun 2005, 20:16 (Ref:1340056)   #20
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Looks more like an "ice rink"
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Old 25 Jun 2005, 20:28 (Ref:1340065)   #22
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Another red flag!!!!!!
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Old 25 Jun 2005, 20:28 (Ref:1340066)   #23
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Will there be any cars left to race!!Another red
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Maybe it will rain on the track soon (just for Thommo!)
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