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Old 9 Jan 2012, 14:12 (Ref:3009383)   #16
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The current one, albeit the hemi, makes people smile too. I had the diesel BTW.
Ah, Hemi . . . the magic word!

2,700 miles in a Hemi Challenger certainly made me smile! (See avatar!)
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Old 9 Jan 2012, 18:01 (Ref:3009470)   #17
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I presume you weren't buying the fuel in the UK then!

Sounds fun, where and when? Or are you still adding to the 2,700?
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Old 9 Jan 2012, 18:23 (Ref:3009476)   #18
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I presume you weren't buying the fuel in the UK then!

Sounds fun, where and when? Or are you still adding to the 2,700?
No, we weren't buying fuel in the UK! It was in Texas at the end of October/early November last year.

It was surprising how big a variation there was in fuel prices from one part of the state to another, from $3.15/gal in El Paso to $3.95 in Fort Davis - still cheaper in cost/mile than our DS3 in the UK, though.
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Old 10 Jan 2012, 16:16 (Ref:3009899)   #19
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They were disappointed with the sales of the Fiat 500 for the first year, only 20,000 and they wanted to sell 50,000.

However, with Fiat being a new brand in the USA(not counting their previous efforts decades ago) and only having one model to sell so far, I think 20,000 is a respectable number for such a new brand and small car.
Hopefully sales increase some... That's a lot of money for very little car though. Dealers will have to struggle through next year before Alfa returns in 2013.

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They say the trim is a big improvement - it'll have to be to compete in Europe. We also get the advantage of European diesel engines instead of the canal barge unit. For us, I believe the choice will be V6 diesel or SRT8.
I drove a rental one a few weeks ago. The interior on most new Chrysler products is a huge improvement... the biggest reason I bought my Ram. The new Pentastar V6 felt strong and has been highly touted in the press. All of the Gen II Hemis are fantastic. I just wish they had something smaller to put them in.
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Old 13 Jul 2012, 11:52 (Ref:3105992)   #20
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Looks like Fiat are raising their stake to 61.8%.

Half way there.
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Old 13 Jul 2012, 18:59 (Ref:3106117)   #21
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I read an article in R&T this morning that Alfa are to produce a convertible sports car built off the new MX-5 chassis. It is said to be mostly Mazda architecture with Alfa engines and styling. That sounds pretty damn appealing to me.
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Old 13 Jul 2012, 19:11 (Ref:3106125)   #22
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If you consider that Mazda could have access to both the Fiat and Chrysler part bins then I think Mazda could be in an interesting position right now.

And if the new company that comes out the merger decides to buy Mazda like Ford did a few years ago, then VW will have a rival to look out for.
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If you consider that Mazda could have access to both the Fiat and Chrysler part bins then I think Mazda could be in an interesting position right now.

And if the new company that comes out the merger decides to buy Mazda like Ford did a few years ago, then VW will have a rival to look out for.
Maybe if the FIAT group stops producing utter rubbish
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Old 13 Aug 2012, 17:54 (Ref:3119430)   #24
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How to haggle with $6 Billion for the last 38.2% of Chrysler.

From the sounds of things it looks like it will happen but when and for how much is the question.
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I think it only fair to say that I am still impressed with my Grand Cherokee, even though it is five years old now. Comparing it to the competition, I need to pay at least another 20k just to get what I get as standard on my car.

Agreed they are built to a price but I can't complain. I also drive a Wrangler Sport out here in Doha. Again, it's five years old, 40k kms on the clock and all I've done is replace the tyres! Like the car in the UK it does exactly what it says on the tin.

So if it becomes Fiat, I hope they maintain the ethos of providing value for money.
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I think it only fair to say that I am still impressed with my Grand Cherokee, even though it is five years old now. Comparing it to the competition, I need to pay at least another 20k just to get what I get as standard on my car.

Agreed they are built to a price but I can't complain. I also drive a Wrangler Sport out here in Doha. Again, it's five years old, 40k kms on the clock and all I've done is replace the tyres! Like the car in the UK it does exactly what it says on the tin.

So if it becomes Fiat, I hope they maintain the ethos of providing value for money.
I never thought much of Jeep, but I have used them off road a lot in recent years and they have impressed me with their abilities. Some of the interiors and other bits, especially in the last decade have not been very impressive, but certainly they have their upside and usually the price is competitive.
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Well,The Grand Cherokee has full leather interior, climate control, extremely good sound system, dvd, proximity sensors etc. Can't fault it. The Wrangler is pretty basic but you can drive it for 100kms or more in a sitting and it goes on to the beaches etc. And when the weather cools down you can take the roof off! They sell pretty well over here, many ex pats drive them.
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So if it becomes Fiat, I hope they maintain the ethos of providing value for money.
I work inside the Fiat group (not the car side of things). I would be supprised if you get the same value for money in the future.

As sad as it is the one thing the Fiat group are interested in is saving money. Quality never enters into it i have this running batttle with these crazy Italians every single day.

Here is how it works

Build a product.
Product is fairly good.
Product gets a good name.
Try to cut cost.
Get a cheaper parts supplier.
Cheap part is rubbish and fails.
The problem builds pretend nothing is wrong.
Leave it a few more years.
Actually listern to staff in the UK recognise but never admit they have a problem.
Make up a rubbish story along the lines of were sorting it out.
Leave a few more years.
Problem product is now out of warranty not Fiat problem.
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Quality never enters into it
After three Alfas I can vouch for that! "Customer service" is another concept which doesn't appear to be translatable into Italian.
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After three Alfas I can vouch for that! "Customer service" is another concept which doesn't appear to be translatable into Italian.
Thats kinda correct.

Customer service certainly does not translate into Italian actually nothing does. Italians only do what Italians think is correct no matter how much you proove them wrong.

Its still the same mentality now as in the late 70's - 80's when they bought loads of cheap cack metal to build cars with. A few years down the line all that was left of the car was the tyres and a pile of rust Anything to save a few quid. You would think they would have learnt the lesson by now.

Its a very sad situation because the group has what could be some very good products to offer. They just need to pay a bit more attention to detail.

Actually im supprised they have bought more shares. We keep getting told at work the company is on its backside. Some of the plants have been on shutdown and short weeks etc over the last few years, lots of people made redundant, no money for overtime and we havnt had a pay rise / cost of living rise for 7 years now.
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