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Old 16 Dec 2003, 17:18 (Ref:813248)   #51
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In terms of policing - I can tell the differece between new and 1 meeting old tyres !!! But agree somebody's got to take the trouble to look at tyres on every car in the assembly area before start of Q. Have another cake .....
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 17:19 (Ref:813250)   #52
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A few points chaps.

1. From Steve Burns - new FF1600 Co-ordinator for all regional series :

2004 technical regulations will be as per the Ford Motor Co. regs so any new
'Zetec' chassis will have to fully comply with the FF1600 regs.

Regarding tyres, having taken advice from Avon, Ford and a number of team
managers and chassis builders it is intended that Pre '82 cars will use ACB9
or Dunlop (as most of them use these already) and Post '81 cars will run
ACB10. I hope that this clarifies the situation and allows everybody to
continue using what they already have.

2. COST of TYRES:

Avon ACB10s' are made in Wiltshire and sold in the UK at a fixed price.

Avon ACB10s' are made in Wiltshire and exported to South Africa - where they are the control tyre - and sold there for approximately 50% of the UK price.

I don't profess to know much about "big business", but how does this stack up ???

Anybody thinking about shipping a container full from Jo'burg to the UK? Could be a nice little earner. T'would be easier to skip the shipping bit and buy them cheaper from Wiltshire though.
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 17:21 (Ref:813253)   #53
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Put me down for a set at SA price then please Diz, cheque or cakes ???
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 17:25 (Ref:813255)   #54
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Any contacts for ZA Diz as the old Man's racing our Mustang over there in Jan i'm sure you could fit a few sets inside for the return journey.

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Old 16 Dec 2003, 17:25 (Ref:813256)   #55
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I'm sure Avon will correct the price malady by doubling the S.A. price.
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 17:26 (Ref:813259)   #56
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Just got home from work.
Chief taster at Mr Kipling's i take it

Only joking have a brill Christmas J.
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 17:28 (Ref:813261)   #57
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That's you off Avon's Christmas card list.
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 17:41 (Ref:813273)   #58
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From a post I made yesterday about National Driver of the year and posters bemoaning big spenders getting success.
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All the leading lights in every formula spend the money. That is where "success" comes from.

In 750F, Maestros, XR2s, FF1600 etc., the rebuilt engines, new tyres, testing, etc., pays dividends for the spenders.

It is no different in F1. If Minardi could spend as much as Ferrari, they would be up there at the sharp end.

Pure driving ability in a poor car that only ever sets wheels on a circuit for a 15 minute qualifier and short race will never show the drivers true potential.

Sad, but true.
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This is sort of relevant to this thread.
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 17:44 (Ref:813276)   #59
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I see your hash (#) keys got stuck again Diz.
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 17:47 (Ref:813279)   #60
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Must be Liverpools drug culture!!!! ha ha .
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 18:20 (Ref:813297)   #61
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Careful there or Diz will give you a smack. (only £40)
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 18:29 (Ref:813302)   #62
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Must be Liverpools drug culture!!!! ha ha .
Seems to be "have a go at diz day today"
Have a smiley from the scouser you
Still any publicity is good publicity, so keep the banter going and keep NW FF1600 in peoples minds.
Must go now, I'm off to start a cake thread.

BTW, I'll be at the Autosport Show on the Friday only. If you don't bump into me there, leave my cakes on the BRSCC Stand [I'll call by at regular intervals to collect and consume].
Sorry I can only find a smiley with it's mouth wide open, I need one with a mitt shovelling cake into it.
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Old 21 Dec 2003, 22:19 (Ref:817680)   #63
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tyres should be limited to twelve sets per season
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Old 21 Dec 2003, 23:48 (Ref:817764)   #64
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blue nose that is a new set per round and does not solve anything...
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Old 21 Dec 2003, 23:55 (Ref:817769)   #65
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spot on redracer: I thought the idea was to curb costs not increase them. I don't think I've used 12 sets of tyres in my entire racing career!!

Anyhow, I've just thought of a brilliant idea of how to police the issue of limited sets of tyres. Why can't the tyre manufacturer's dye them in a different colour?

I can see it all now: you can't race with them red tyres because it says 'ere that today's colour is definitely green........!!!!!!!!!
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Old 22 Dec 2003, 00:01 (Ref:817773)   #66
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lol what a site.......30 FF1600 coming down the avenue at Oulton with blue tyres. The spectators will all be sick!!!

Maybe limit the sets to 4 NOT 12 this is club racing not National Zetecs.
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Old 22 Dec 2003, 08:33 (Ref:818010)   #67
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Just make the tyre compound harder and have dedicated wets as they are so much safer.
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Old 22 Dec 2003, 10:47 (Ref:818090)   #68
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nothing will change...and to be honest. I am getting past caring.

Things like weight limits are moaned about because certain drivers at too heavy... this sort of rubbish is "considered" yet club fee's of £100+ tyres at £400 per set, increasing race entry fee's and this sort of things are limited to chat on this message board.

As Diz said let the rich kids through money at the racing....its even more sweet to beat them. Money will always favour the kit the racers use, and if they have that much money to blow a set of tyres per weekend then let them go race in the national zetecs.....or would they have to get by on skill there.

Lets stop try to change things and go racing (BTW I think the tyre limiting is a good thing - but nothing good changes only petty things like weight limitations)
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Old 23 Dec 2003, 11:39 (Ref:818862)   #69
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In Zetecs we had things called Tyre forms. On these forms we put the registration numbers of the 2 nominated spares that were to remain spares for the season until such a time that they were needed. (Thruxton) we then had the registration numbers of the 4 tyres we were to use that weekend, and that was it. if any numbers were different then we would be in trouble.

In 1600 to make it safe in the wet we would just need to carry 2 sets, (which most do anyway) register them on the form which can be got from Brian at Avon, and make one set the dedicated wet and one the dedicated dry. it then gets confusing as to when is it allowed to use the wets i spose so maybe its not as simple as when I started writing this!

Bloody hell just let people spend the money if you cant afford it then at least you know why your slower nothing worse then being slower and not knowing why!

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