[WEC] Rebellion Racing

[Deleted]

Recycling same words they said half a year ago. But of course, if they could somehow get four (?!) extra years for the same chassis, that'd be quite huge.

Btw, over the Spa weekend it was (re-?)learned that Rebellion also has third Oreca in their fleet, travelling with them as spare chassis, so there already is customer car ready to go if someone wanted to purchase LMP1 quick and relatively cheap.

[Deleted]

With 2012 and 2014 in memory, it sounds here like all priority will be switched to reliability and keeping it steady for LM now - as it should
http://www.24h-lemans.com/en/news/ni...746_24768.html

ByKolles probably will catch them in speed a little bit then (if the "innovations" work), but that hardly matters if they'll still plunder with engine/suspension/brakes/whatever.

Don't think Rebellion will be doing any testing prior Test Day though? I mean they did get fourth in 2014 by basically running absolutely nothing prior Test Day too, except single shakedown at Paul Ricard, but they still had Toyota and Michelins then even if the Oreca chassis had never run anywhere.

It'll be the best chance yet anyway.

[Deleted]

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...ke-on-spa.html

The only negative is that Rebellion achieved those results because of other cars having issues, not on their own merit with pace.

He's delusional in thinking that's ever gonna change. More breaks or not. The only thing that can be argued is that they at least should've sort-of been able to match the handicapped , hybrid-damaged factory.

Anyway, it was to their merit that they had better reliability, and it's much more important in situation like this.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by Chiana

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...ke-on-spa.html

The only negative is that Rebellion achieved those results because of other cars having issues, not on their own merit with pace.

He's delusional in thinking that's ever gonna change. More breaks or not. The only thing that can be argued is that they at least should've sort-of been able to match the handicapped , hybrid-damaged factory.

Anyway, it was to their merit that they had better reliability, and it's much more important in situation like this.

This is Endurance racing. To finish first, first you have to finish.
I know this is not entirely the case here, but the manufactures pace could be purely on the basis of endurance sacrifices, making that negative wrong.

[GT6]

This is endurance racing all cars must endure the race, you might be slower but we love this type of racing because the format is not a sprint but a test of machinery over a set period of time and that includes the mechanics ability to keep the cars running if a problem occurs

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by CTD

This is Endurance racing. To finish first, first you have to finish.
I know this is not entirely the case here, but the manufactures pace could be purely on the basis of endurance sacrifices, making that negative wrong.

Also the reduced testing allocation, that could play part

Anyway I agree

[fefe]

lessuissesaumans.ch

It´s nothing new that Rebellion Racing plan to go to USA and IMSA, but Bentley was news to me. Such a shame if they leave WEC in the end of the season. :/

[mariantic]

Originally Posted by fefe

lessuissesaumans.ch

It´s nothing new that Rebellion Racing plan to go to USA and IMSA, but Bentley was news to me. Such a shame if they leave WEC in the end of the season. :/

I LOVE this rumour! Rebellion & Bentley together in DPi (with Leena!) makes so much sense...
Not sure about Riley though, surely the ORECAs are convertible to DPi? Still Riley also makes sense with the Multimatic connection to Rebelllion's Lolas.

All the contents of a great rumour! Hoping it happens.

Mariantic

[Deleted]

One's joy is another's misery

I'd be devastated if what was stated in that became true. However even if it did (and the source was more than "insider info" like sometimes here on forums) that wouldn't mean they couldn't stilll have LMP1, even if just oneoff at LM. Or the NA campaign could be partial season. Or dual bodysticker-LMP2 + LMP1 season.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by fefe

lessuissesaumans.ch



It´s nothing new that Rebellion Racing plan to go to USA and IMSA, but Bentley was news to me. Such a shame if they leave WEC in the end of the season. :/

That's a pretty cool sounding rumour. Never thought of a Bentley connection if Rebellion left WEC for IMSA. How reliable is this website?

[TF110]

Seems like a fantasy more than actual info. The Leena Gade thing we know is wrong, so too this rumor it would seem if they're trying to make this connection.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by mariantic

I LOVE this rumour! Rebellion & Bentley together in DPi (with Leena!) makes so much sense...
Not sure about Riley though, surely the ORECAs are convertible to DPi? Still Riley also makes sense with the Multimatic connection to Rebelllion's Lolas.

All the contents of a great rumour! Hoping it happens.

Mariantic

Great rumour indeed, and the lack of solid information being released by manufacturers (both chassis and dpi) about who is doing what only makes this type of thing more believable.

On the other hand, I thought Bentley had decided to either pull the plug on the dpi or at least delay until 2018, so Rebellion could easily stay in P1 while working towards a 2018 IMSA campaign. Also there have been articles where Riley/Multimatic have mentioned they are working with 2 manufacturers so maybe this has some weight after all?

[Deleted]

https://twitter.com/DodoKraihamer/st...481152?lang=fi

So if they were allowed to go 800kg as per (later) 2014 regs, instead of 858kg of today, that would equal to almost 3 seconds gain, roughly speaking?

Anyway, we haven't had the hybrid-nonhybrid EoT tables for LM or Test Day yet, but as per the recent norm, I'm not expecting any real changes this time either. They seem to be locked in.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Chiana

https://twitter.com/DodoKraihamer/st...481152?lang=fi

So if they were allowed to go 800kg as per (later) 2014 regs, instead of 858kg of today, that would equal to almost 3 seconds gain, roughly speaking?

Anyway, we haven't had the hybrid-nonhybrid EoT tables for LM or Test Day yet, but as per the recent norm, I'm not expecting any real changes this time either. They seem to be locked in.

Do we know what the actual weight of the Rebellion is? Do they make the minimum weight with ease these days?

[Deleted]

Rebellion was able to meet it even at 800kg, so 858 should be easy (unless Oreca's mods into fitting AER changed things? IDK). As I always say, the only real reason the limit was raised in the first place was to help Kolles who where never even close of achieving it.

[TF110]

Imagine those lightweight p2's from the alms (775kg iirc). That'd be near 5 seconds on a lap. Most of it would probably come with improved acceleration. Then theyd improve fuel economy too.

[Coach Ep]

675 kg (nearly 1500 lbs) as in LMP675.

Dyson's Lolas were bullets for instance:

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

675 kg (nearly 1500 lbs) as in LMP675.

Dyson's Lolas were bullets for instance:

I would love to see a light weight class again. Could you get down to 675 with a coupe I wonder?

[skycafe]

The Lola B01/60's were over the 675Kg weight even early on, and gained weight with development, some of which was developing away from some of the innovations of the original concept (the startanator, or whatever it was called). The DBA was even farther above 675Kg.

Admittedly that was a decade and a half ago near enough, so perhaps more modern tech could save weight? Still, you need substance in structure and systems to run endurance races, and that means weight, or substantial expense to buy lightness.

Me just chewin fat...

[Deleted]

They could've made an actual lightweight class out where things like Deltawing or even ZEOD might roam, but they decided to just solely serve Panoz and Nissan instead.

[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

675 kg (nearly 1500 lbs) as in LMP675.

Dyson's Lolas were bullets for instance:

Exploding bullets.

[GT6]

yes they did have a few reliability issues, watched them at le mans and not many of 675 cars that started were running at the end of the races i swa

[Deleted]

Yeah but even as "standard" LMP2 cars, long after the LMP675 rules were abandoned, they continued to be embarrassing in reliability. Only in 2008 you could say they started to not look like total shambles (in Europe, ALMS got the vibe few years earlier already), partly thanks to increasing prototype boom and coming of new models

2007 at Le Mans was total disaster in particular, the first finisher was 18th overall and behind GT1 + GT2 winners. And only one other LMP2 actually finished the race lol

But regarding the Lola-AERs, yeah they were notorious at being explody, even as late as 2010/2011 when Autocon still was running old chassis

[skycafe]

The rules had been changed to 750kg, and then went on the be 825kg, plus, the Porsche RS Spyder, developed by Porsche and Penske was the class star again the sort of boutique cars, so it isn't really apples to apples in that regard.

If you want light weight, the Elan IMSA Lite cars are around 530kg, they seem to do fine.

[Deleted]

Nobody has claimed otherwise.

Regarding the Lites, yeah that may be true, but it's just as spec grid environment to cater the business of the Don (Elan = Panoz) as Deltawing is, so the weight is irrelevant.

Even CN is better modern example. But ACO doesn't really like them, even if they (for now) let them in for ASLMS. They have criticized them for poor safety and all. And of course, they are the product of external source - and as the GTE/GT3 debacle shows, that's not what ACO fancies

Anyway, we're getting bit off the track here now.