[BTCC] BTCC 2018 Rumours & Silly Season

[RS67]

Originally Posted by mark_l

I believe Tordoff has bought/loaned from another team the TBL that he is using for 2018.

I think Motorbase have 2 TBL’s so they would have to replace MJ or risk losing a TBL which would mean if Tordoff left and took his TBL then Motorbase would only have a single entry.


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As far as I am aware there is only one driver on the grid that can take a licence with him to another team and that is Simpson as he owns the car. Tordoff does not own the Focus, unless of course you know different.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by RS67

Tordoff does not own the Focus, unless of course you know different.

This may well be true; BMR don't own any of the Subarus. Car ownership and TBL ownership are different things entirely.

Moffat do own their Merc in addition to Simpson owning a Honda.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by RS67

Regardless of which they still have 3 TBL'S.

Where did their third TBL come from?
In 2017 they had two - and a loaned TBL from Welch for the season.

[Pdh]

[QUOTE=Jiiiiiiim;3802161
Mind you with the whole Jackson saga, they aren’t covering themselves in glory at present.[/QUOTE]

Well if the rumors are true then Mr Jackson has got everything he deserves

[mark_l]

Originally Posted by RS67

As far as I am aware there is only one driver on the grid that can take a licence with him to another team and that is Simpson as he owns the car. Tordoff does not own the Focus, unless of course you know different.

Thanks for reminding me about Simpson, I'd forgotten about him.

What matters is the TBL, the car is not I believe linked to the TBL. e.g. If Team Parker change from a Ford to a BMW then it does not require them to obtain a new TBL, there aren't any left anyway, it is still the same Team Parker entity that owns the TBL.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Mark is 100% correct here: Team GardX is a new team formed by the Tordoff business empire. Exactly like the the Moffats setup. It owns a TBL which is strongly rumoured as having been bought from BMR. The car will be run by Motorbase alongside their TWO Team Shredded Wheat cars.

We're simply waiting on a driver announcement for third car, that is the sole missing piece of this particular jigsaw.

Has Alan Gow changed the rules on TBL's for 2018?
For the 2017 season, teams had to confirm their TBL entry by 30 November 2016 - and pay their deposit.
As far as I can tell, the same was true for this season - which would mean the teams allocated the 32 TBL's referred to in the 1 December BTCC press release, would already have their deposits in.

If Tordoff's TBL was confirmed with TOCA on 30 November 2017, why did they wait until February to confirm their participation?

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by Pdh

Well if the rumors are true then Mr Jackson has got everything he deserves

have you never looked for a new employer to try and better yourself or achieve career goals?
Would you feel it was fair if you had sent your CV off to someone or had an interview to see what happened and you were fired on the spot?

...Mr Jackson may actually have a legal case here

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Jiiiiiiim

Also the press release was from the beginning of ASI, Tordoff’s deal wasn’t signed until the Sunday after the show, it was rumoured at ASI, but Bartrum & Motorbase weren’t going to include the negotiations in a press release were they. Especially as Tordoff is bringing the TBL (loaned or purchased) to enable them to run him, Motorbase would of look very silly if the deal had not been done!

The TBL requires the entry to be confirmed with TOCA by 30 November 2017 (if the rules haven't changed). Did Tordoff register his entry, and then scout for a car/team to run him? It sounds like something Gow would not normally tolerate?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by mark_l

What matters is the TBL, the car is not I believe linked to the TBL. e.g. If Team Parker change from a Ford to a BMW then it does not require them to obtain a new TBL, there aren't any left anyway, it is still the same Team Parker entity that owns the TBL.

Do you need to confirm what car you are entering at the time of paying your entrance fee and registering the TBL? (And do you have to confirm what team are running your car?)

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

The TBL requires the entry to be confirmed with TOCA by 30 November 2017 (if the rules haven't changed). Did Tordoff register his entry, and then scout for a car/team to run him? It sounds like something Gow would not normally tolerate?

nobody knows, i dont think a list of who the 32 were allocated to was published, even so previous seasons have seen these swapped and sold up to the season start before now.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by btccbloke

nobody knows, i dont think a list of who the 32 were allocated to was published

It is intriguing if Tordoff does own the TBL, and had his entry registered back in November?

I know Gow said that they weren't going to announce who the allocations were made to until Media Day. Interesting to see if they eventually confirm it was an allocation to Motorbase or JCT600/GardX?

[mark_l]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

The TBL requires the entry to be confirmed with TOCA by 30 November 2017 (if the rules haven't changed). Did Tordoff register his entry, and then scout for a car/team to run him? It sounds like something Gow would not normally tolerate?

Who knows when the Team GardX entry was confirmed? Those that do probably won't be talking about it.

[Matt K]

I think it was done in such a way that originally the third Motorbase TBL was BMR's fourth TBL and (probably after this 30 November) BMR decided to sell this to Motorbase and this is how "two- car Team Shredded Wheat" expanded to three cars with the third one running under Team GardX banner. I doubt that Team GardX TBL belongs to 'Team GardX' (in this meaning Tordoff or his family or whatever). I think that this belongs to Motorbase but is being paid by GardX which is a main sponsor of Tordoff's car and this is why the third Motorbase car will run under Team GardX banner.

[RS67]

Originally Posted by mark_l

Thanks for reminding me about Simpson, I'd forgotten about him.

What matters is the TBL, the car is not I believe linked to the TBL. e.g. If Team Parker change from a Ford to a BMW then it does not require them to obtain a new TBL, there aren't any left anyway, it is still the same Team Parker entity that owns the TBL.

Effectively all TBL's are returned to TOCA at the end of the season. For the next season TBL'S are issued based on a teams previous entry. Motorbase loaned Welch's TBL from his 2016 entry. But Motorbase having run cars last year entitled them to a 3rd TBL for this year if they wanted it. If they hadn't built a new car and run Butcher to replace Davenport, they would have lost the right to a 3rd TBL for this year.
Changing a car doesn't matter, but having a car does matter.

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

It is intriguing if Tordoff does own the TBL, and had his entry registered back in November?

I know Gow said that they weren't going to announce who the allocations were made to until Media Day. Interesting to see if they eventually confirm it was an allocation to Motorbase or JCT600/GardX?

he probably means media day you will just find out the 32 cars on the grid with drivers and livery, they wont necesseraly make announcements about the date they were registered or TBLs officially exchanged and who to/from.

This is because previous years teams have sold TBL days after "the list" in November and they have traded hands days before Media day making it pointless publishing details till we know who has what

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

If Tordoff's TBL was confirmed with TOCA on 30 November 2017, why did they wait until February to confirm their participation?

Why single out Tordoff, how many other TBL holders announced their plans in Nov/Dec last year?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by btccbloke

This is because previous years teams have sold TBL days after "the list" in November and they have traded hands days before Media day making it pointless publishing details till we know who has what

That's not how Gow describes it though - and not what is written in the 2018 Sporting Regulations:

2018 regulations - 'Registrations will only be accepted from holders of a valid TOCA BTCC Licence (‘TBL’), initially by way of a deposit of £10,000 + VAT on or before November 30th 2017 to secure their entry. The Administrator may require a further deposit prior to the close of entries. The entrant agrees to abide at all times by the prevailing conditions and/or guidelines of the TBL.' 'A registration once made and accepted shall constitute a legally binding contract and a registration may only be withdrawn without penalty with the consent of the Administrator. An
entrant or driver whose registration is accepted and who otherwise fails to participate in the Championship shall forfeit their registration fees in their entirety.'

Alan Gow in 2016 - 'When the teams made their entry commitments and 50% deposits for the 2017 season, it was on the understanding that TOCA would not approve any subsequent fundamental changes to their entry or operation of the TBL, in other words, teams cannot sell or lease or loan etc., their TBL for 2017 once they made their commitment by November 30 and we issued our list. Hence why there were some last minute arrangements prior to the cut-off.' 'After the November 30 cut-off date, I won’t approve a movement of their TBL or entry.'

[Craner Curves]

The level of pedantry in the past few pages is hurting my head.....

Obviously Motorbase had a third licence in their possession before the deadline and always intended to run 3 cars. Does it matter about the finer details?

[luckn002]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

The level of pedantry in the past few pages is hurting my head.....

Obviously Motorbase had a third licence in their possession before the deadline and always intended to run 3 cars. Does it matter about the finer details?

^

Back on topic... Are there any drivers left in the TOCA package that could make the step up into one of the MG seats?

[btccbloke]

thank god this was bought back from stupidity!!!

Yes I think AWE will be in the MG6, id love to see Jackson in the other but he wont be, Shaun was just doing his usual twitter trolling yesterday

My feel is TOC might yet be back in BTCC with motorbase, if we go on the basis of his twitter likes recently lol

[Craner Curves]

I wonder if they'll do the bodywork modifications that Triple Eight would liked to have done a few years ago.

[thlbtcc]

What a colossal waste of time. Three Motorbase cars, end of.

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by AdrianM

Bit late to the party!

Better late than never.

[luckn002]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

I wonder if they'll do the bodywork modifications that Triple Eight would liked to have done a few years ago.

Hopefully, yes. Realistically, probably not... Happily though I don't think it's possible for the livery to look any worse than last year!

[btccbloke]

Originally Posted by luckn002

Hopefully, yes. Realistically, probably not... Happily though I don't think it's possible for the livery to look any worse than last year!

The MGs have looked quite smart the last few years in red and white, big step up from the mess of Jack Goffs livery at least