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Old 8 Jul 2018, 09:16 (Ref:3835373)   #16
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Nice one! As I say, I'm seriously envious - but not of that blazing sun. It's bad enough here right now.
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Old 8 Jul 2018, 12:01 (Ref:3835408)   #17
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Missed the meeting, so sorry, must have been the heat.
Tried to move as little as possible today. I don't like non sun, but this must have been the hottest day ever at a 24.

Enjoyed the 3 parade laps this morning, we were told not to overtake the pacecar it was going so fast I didn't even see it. Not the ordinary paradelap, got to 200 km now and than.
i hope the car is still ok, if is an old girl and thrashing her in that heat? but suspect the smile on your face doing that was rather large. Felt sorry for the owner of the 917 that appears to be broken in two.
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Old 8 Jul 2018, 13:45 (Ref:3835424)   #18
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Read on Facebook that the 917 was rebuilt from the wreck that John Wolfe died in, and there's rumors that based on that superstition that the car's cursed as a result. This time the driver walked away but the car's definitely been binned again.
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Old 8 Jul 2018, 15:17 (Ref:3835439)   #19
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Read on Facebook that the 917 was rebuilt from the wreck that John Wolfe died in, and there's rumors that based on that superstition that the car's cursed as a result. This time the driver walked away but the car's definitely been binned again.
Yes the car was rebuilt from the bits saved after that accident
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Old 9 Jul 2018, 11:00 (Ref:3835640)   #20
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First time

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Massively underwhelming, half the stuff they tell you to do on the website was wrong, so I booked all I thought I needed only to get there and realise I didn't need some of it or I did need some of it, I couldn't really tell.

Was far too hot to do anything other than stay in shade, and in the places I wanted to go as they were quiet like Arnage and Mulsanne, they chopped all the trees down, genius. Bit at least some sanctuary was found.

No-one selling programmes anywhere out there, only place you could get one was to go to main area, where I couldn't park. Another tossing pas was needed.

Campsite was fair, nothing more. But for the money.... Maybe not.

Track is nothing for the spectators, great for drivers, most of it is inaccessible.

So for me and the guy I went with, rather a waste of time, and will never, ever go there again.

Compared to the other so called less famous track in Germany, this place is a dump. We went with open minds honestly. The people were lovely, the twosn and villages we went to were too.

But the entry lists were full of non runners, a lot of the cars ran like bags of nails sometimes and it seems unless you were prepared to spend all night out there a lot of stuff was going on without you really knowing!

So lesson learned, you can keep it.
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Old 9 Jul 2018, 11:41 (Ref:3835647)   #21
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Did you spend much time in the paddocks, that for all of the times i have been was the highlight, you get to see cars up close that you would never see on the roads and talk to owners/mechanics and even help out on some of the teams that consist of two blokes and not much else. always spend as much time there as i do watching the racing.
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Old 9 Jul 2018, 15:32 (Ref:3835681)   #22
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Yes the car was rebuilt from the bits saved after that accident
Wasn't Derek Bell supposed to be driving this 917?
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Old 9 Jul 2018, 17:26 (Ref:3835706)   #23
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So lesson learned, you can keep it.
I haven't been to the Classic since the first one in 2002 (far too close in time to the main race for me to justify it), so I can't comment on the organisation of the rest of the event. But for the comments about Le Mans in general you'll know already that I think you're talking from a place where the sun doesn't normally shine. But you won't mind that because we've been here before. As to the sun - what did you expect?! You must have known it was going to be blooming hot before you went....

So yes, those who love Le Mans - we're happy to keep it (and would have done anyway - with or without your rather predictable comments. I'd be tempted to say rather more but I suspect I'd be breaking some rules if I did, and as a mod, that just wouldn't do - would it?
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Old 9 Jul 2018, 18:02 (Ref:3835718)   #24
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The tickets were bought months in advance, as were things like ferry bookings etc. So realy, what was I suposed to do, look at the forecast last week and cancel? There was limited sun cover anywhere, the trees were largely all gone at Arnage and Mulsanne, and there was no coverage at Porcshe Curves.

On the yellow site we were on there was no food stall selling anything on the insde of Porsche Curves, despite there being thousands of people there, one toilet.

Cmon man, I know you love the bloody place, but some of this is basics.

The event cost me a reasonable amount of money, I found the place as a whole dirty, rather disorganised and rather difficult to navigate around. It's a big event, and the traffic management was very good. I will say that.

To get around i needed something like 5 or 6 different tickets, which is pathetic.

No-one sold programmes anywhere other than the start and finish area, which i had tickets for, but could not park at, without paying for yet more sodding tickets.

As I say, it's for drivers, not fans. I went with an open mind, hoping it was going to be special.

it was about as special as Donington national on a Saturday in April sorry.

The website needs more information, better English which considering a lot of the people there were, needs to be done.

Why shouldn't I be able to buy a ticket for an area, that automatically brings up an alert saying "if you buy this you know you need to buy a car park ticket too yes? "

That is just plain bad sorry.

Plus sides, as I say traffic management was good. People were friendly at the track and in the towns. ferry and routes there was excellent.

GT6, to be honest I had already spent 300 Euros on tickets, camp, parking, spending even more on paddock stuff was just too much, we both simply wanted to go to see racing, and found it rather difficult to understand where to go, what we needed.

I had a ticket for the start and finish area I never used, because I was turned away from one car park, and all the others seemed to need yet another pass on top of the 6 I already had, make that 12 for two of us. One a gent in his 70's.
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Old 9 Jul 2018, 18:35 (Ref:3835727)   #25
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OK, I'm willing to accept that I may have been unfair - I wasn't there. I know several members who post here were - so, what do you reckon guys - chunder makes out a case for a fair degree of disorganisation/misinformation/no information. Your experiences?
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Old 9 Jul 2018, 20:21 (Ref:3835744)   #26
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Because I know the place, it was easy to navigate. I had three tickets, general entree, paddock and infield parking. I read where to enter/park and drove up to MMarena to acces the track inside. Easy acces and friendly people.
Programs were hard to come by and indeed only in the entree area's.
Most of the races look more like parades. BUT wathing all that old stuff on track is fun. Don't expect a race.
There are dozens of shops, great if you like shopping car stuff.
Thousants of beautiful spectators cars parked inside the circuit.
With paddock passes ( only 35 I beleive) acces to all the race cars and their fantastic owners.
It is nothing like the LM24 race, so don't expect that.
To me it was more like a giant Cars and Coffee, and I liked it.
Camping wise I can't comment because I was in a little chateau one hour away from LM, wich is to far...
To bad is was so hot, and yes, I have to agree, shade was hard to find.
Would I come back, YES.
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i hope the car is still ok, if is an old girl and thrashing her in that heat? but suspect the smile on your face doing that was rather large. Felt sorry for the owner of the 917 that appears to be broken in two.
I loved those paradelaps, will be back for more.
The old girl was really enjoying herself and unlike the owner didn't care about the heat.
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It's good to hear Chunder's experiences as a first time visitor as certain things we regulars take for granted.

There were certainly less food and drink stands than the 24hrs, but there's a much smaller crowd. There's also more 'empty space' behind the stands (and some of the temporary stands had been dismantled) which might give the impression of it being dirty and dusty.

Perhaps Chunder was being too optimistic in his expectations of getting around the circuit (or getting access to the non-permanent sections of track). And, even us 24hrs Regular have bemoaned the gentrification of the trackside experience.

I'm not sure how he needed 6 tickets - I assume he bought separate tickets for Arnage/Mulsanne which I would have expected the General Entrance ticket would have covered? (and it seems he was trying to park in the main car park in addition to having a camping ticket?)

I felt the Classic event was delightfully quiet compared to the 24hrs, plenty of space to walk around - Friday evening was almost a ghost town (perhaps because France were playing football).

The weather was an issue, luckily we could find shade in the grandstand.

I believe I saw WhiteMR2's NSX on display (there can't be many with Dutch plates).

We camped on Maison Blanche and that certainly had a poorer toilet to camper ratio than our usual Epinettes site. Perfectly clean though. (Plus I have access to the toilets in the ACO stand, so don't have to make use of more public conveniences trackside).

I'd agree about programme sellers, there didn't seem to be anywhere obviously selling them. Luckily I had downloaded the timetable to my phone.

As GT6 said, missing out the paddocks is perhaps the biggest 'mistake', going around them in dark (when it was somewhat cooler) was a unique experience and worth the ticket price alone.

As was seeing the '97 Panoz again, the car that enthused me on my first trip to Le Mans.

Finally, there were huge numbers of classic cars travelling down, something you no longer seem to see at the 24hrs.
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I think in reflection some of this is down to me, some down to the ticketing thing.

I had never been before. I booked a campsite, it said no cars allowed, so I also booked somewhere to park as you would at a festival say, that was the car park for Arnage and Mulsanne. It was the same colour as the campsite so I thought OK. What I actually bought was parking to watch there!

I bought general admission, I never showed that to anyone, only the Arnage and Mulsanne passes I also bought, because I was turned away from a car park on Friday night behind the start straight and could find nowhere else to park.

My purchases had cost me roughly 230 Euros, and apparently I still needed more! I was with another person, so that was 6 tickets, 7 if you include campsite. No plastic sheet or anything sent. So we had to keep them safe.

I found the ordering website clunky and tricky to use, and as I say why the site doesn't have a thing that says "if you buy this ticket, you need to buy a car park one too" I don't know, at least to make you aware.

Biggest issue though was weather, that is my issue, I can't stand the heat, and would likely even suffer in the mid to late 20's without shade. On my own I likely would not have gone and taken the hit, seriously I hate the heat that much.

So I wasted a fair bit on a ticket I never used, but could have had the right data been available to me. paddock was another 50 or so Euros each I think, just too much added to the ferry, etc.

I think an event that is really tailoired for the dedicated LM person. Or even where you buy a package and get it all done for you.

I was simply left feeling disappointed, let down, and very underwhelmed by the whole thing.

I also missed two packs of cars, spectated for probably 12 hours all told and never saw the first or last group once.
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Interesting.

I really enjoyed the trip - but we've been a few times now, so we know where to eat, not to eat, make your own, etc..

The event almost seemed to be too short to see everything you wanted - so we had to make a few decisions about that.

We'd already worked out a 'wish list' of what to see and when and had the whole of Friday, Saturday and all that Sunday offered to see stuff.

My only slight annoyance was on purchasing paddock passes and they didn't seem too bothered about checking those.

We book with Just Tickets (others are available) and get the right level of tickets and advice from them. I'd be interested in hearing where chunder got his tickets from as it sounds like they were either over-sold tickets or not given enough information.

We even made it in to town for a couple of beers. The Tram is such a great thing!! We 'know' where to avoid in terms of traffic and getting in and out of the circuit to shop or pick up a croissant or two and pain au choc is an easy task. I even managed to help out a French chap whose car wouldn't start - it only needed jump starting

I'm sure we probably didn't see as much as we wanted, but we were also happy to sit and chat etc.. It was a great event. Didn't mind the heat too much as it is July and 'everywhere' is hot...

A la prochaine...
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