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Old 4 Sep 2011, 11:55 (Ref:2950664)   #1
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McLaren to buy back Mercedes?
Apparently, McLaren have taken out a large loan that could see them buying out Mercedes.

Seems a bit hard to believe. But stranger things have happened at sea.

http://www.pitpass.com/44598-McLaren...-title-chances
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Old 4 Sep 2011, 12:38 (Ref:2950676)   #2
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Shouldn't that be "buy out" Mercedes?

Wonder what engines they'll be using then.
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Old 4 Sep 2011, 12:56 (Ref:2950682)   #3
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I seem to remember the buy back being part of an agreement from a few years ago as Mercedes originally wanted to buy out McLaren but instead they bought Brawn.
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Old 4 Sep 2011, 12:58 (Ref:2950683)   #4
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Does anyone think that from 2014 that McLaren might start building their own engines?
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Old 4 Sep 2011, 17:38 (Ref:2950765)   #5
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Hasn't this been the plan for a couple of years now?
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Old 4 Sep 2011, 18:20 (Ref:2950785)   #6
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Does anyone think that from 2014 that McLaren might start building their own engines?
I think this has been on the cards for a while now..

I would just buy PURE and get going...

PURE McLaren has a nice ring...
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Old 4 Sep 2011, 19:18 (Ref:2950812)   #7
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I think this has been on the cards for a while now..

I would just buy PURE and get going..
Or perhaps Cosworth...
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Old 4 Sep 2011, 21:07 (Ref:2950874)   #8
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I think this has been on the cards for a while now..

I would just buy PURE and get going...

PURE McLaren has a nice ring...
Yeah, that could happen.
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Yeah, that could happen.
Can't see McLaren buying a load of hot air, as they will probably get a manufacturer to build an engine to their specification like they did in the 80's with Porsche if they don't get free ones elsewhere.
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So PURE is hot air then...Who told you that?
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So PURE is hot air then...Who told you that?
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P.U.R.E. seems to be based on subcontracting out almost all the work which to me is not theway to go designing and building a race engine.
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McLaren probably need to do their own engines because of the road car programme. Last time they went their own way with TAG it was rather successful. I think Mahle is the road car engine partner.
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P.U.R.E. seems to be based on subcontracting out almost all the work which to me is not theway to go designing and building a race engine.
Why not.

Most companies contract out some part of manufacture to companies more specialised. Esp. machining, where it may not be cost effective to have the very high precision gear required in house.

My company (semiconductors, not engines) design in house, but manfacture is done by a third party. Seems to work well for us given the >$4B cost of a new fab....

As long as your design is OK, I see no problems.
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Old 5 Sep 2011, 12:27 (Ref:2951141)   #15
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Why not.

Most companies contract out some part of manufacture to companies more specialised. Esp. machining, where it may not be cost effective to have the very high precision gear required in house.

My company (semiconductors, not engines) design in house, but manfacture is done by a third party. Seems to work well for us given the >$4B cost of a new fab....

As long as your design is OK, I see no problems.
Actually, most high tech companies operate this way, they're focused on their primary job, which is design, and the other layers of the process is made by third parties.
I'm not an expert on that field, but from my own experience, with my company and the one I work for now, this must be done in a strict way, that guarantee a high level of quality, so the third party companies are chosen carefully and are supervised through the whole process.
So, if it's done that way, I can't see any problems with it.
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Seems a little strange, but hey like someone else said stranger things have happened. If they were to start building engines then they should call them Bruce's.
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Several known engineers have moved to McLaren from HPE, the most recognized being Axel Wendorf recently, and Ilmor and there's no way they were hired just to build a roadcar engine.

I thought it was Ricardo, not Mahle that were the engines partner?
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McLaren committed to Mercedes engines for foreseeable future.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...ercedes-power/
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McLaren committed to Mercedes engines for foreseeable future.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...ercedes-power/
I bet that suits both parties right down to the ground at present!
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McLaren committed to Mercedes engines for foreseeable future.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...ercedes-power/
So it was all just pure speculation then...
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So it was all just pure speculation then...
Seems so. But you never can what might happen if Mercedes don't get some good results sometime soon.
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