Could Nico Hülkenberg profit from the COVID 19 break? - Page 2

Armco Bender · 11 Apr 2020, 04:48 (Ref:3969958)

Not going to matter this year,there wont be a season.

**Adam43** · 11 Apr 2020, 04:56 (Ref:3969961)

What is going on here?

He’s a good driver, seems a decent guy, but can we really get that worked up that he might have missed out on the ultimate trope drive?

Skam85 · 11 Apr 2020, 05:37 (Ref:3969965)

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I don't see it at all. Compare the 2018 results to the 2019 results.

You asserted that Renault promised race wins in Ricciardo's first season, which was never even close to the truth.

**Aysedasi** · 11 Apr 2020, 09:26 (Ref:3970005)

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What is going on here?

He’s a good driver, seems a decent guy, but can we really get that worked up that he might have missed out on the ultimate trope drive?

Can you imagine the thread that Pete will start when Kimi finally loses out on a seat in F1 (probably around 2035.....

).

Skam85 · 11 Apr 2020, 09:38 (Ref:3970008)

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Can you imagine the thread that Pete will start when Kimi finally loses out on a seat in F1 (probably around 2035.....

).

Robin will be ready by then

**Aysedasi** · 11 Apr 2020, 09:55 (Ref:3970012)

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Robin will be ready by then

Ah, yes, I hadn't thought of that!

S griffin · 11 Apr 2020, 10:12 (Ref:3970015)

Let’s just hope the gorilla suit is passed on to Robin

LW97 · 11 Apr 2020, 14:13 (Ref:3970061)

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Originally Posted by Skam85

You asserted that Renault promised race wins in Ricciardo's first season, which was never even close to the truth.

Back in early 2017 we would have expected that, but laziness overtook them.

**Aysedasi** · 11 Apr 2020, 14:25 (Ref:3970074)

'Laziness'? Care to expand on that?

LW97 · 11 Apr 2020, 14:40 (Ref:3970078)

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'Laziness'? Care to expand on that?

The did not care to develop the car the way Mercedes did between 2010 and 2013.

crmalcolm · 11 Apr 2020, 15:07 (Ref:3970088)

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The did not care to develop the car the way Mercedes did between 2010 and 2013.

Through lack of effort, finance, skill or judgement?

Knowlesy · 11 Apr 2020, 15:09 (Ref:3970090)

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The did not care to develop the car the way Mercedes did between 2010 and 2013.

Maybe they just aren't as good as Mercedes?

S griffin · 11 Apr 2020, 15:34 (Ref:3970101)

Or more to the point, don’t quite have the budget to match Merc, despite both being car manufacturers

LW97 · 11 Apr 2020, 18:22 (Ref:3970129)

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Or more to the point, don’t quite have the budget to match Merc, despite both being car manufacturers

Are Renault that poor? Like one of them said above me, they are not as good as Mercedes.

broadrun96 · 11 Apr 2020, 20:28 (Ref:3970151)

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Are Renault that poor? Like one of them said above me, they are not as good as Mercedes.

Simple answer, yes, yes they are that poor compared to what Mercedes. The team isn't even close to the same capacity, budget or staffing levels.

crmalcolm · 11 Apr 2020, 21:00 (Ref:3970154)

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Simple answer, yes, yes they are that poor compared to what Mercedes. The team isn't even close to the same capacity, budget or staffing levels.

Exactly,

Mercedes are in a different league to Renault.

https://money.usnews.com/investing/slideshows/the-10-most-valuable-auto-companies-in-the-world?slide=2

LW97 · 12 Apr 2020, 00:46 (Ref:3970187)

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Are Renault that poor? Like one of them said above me, they are not as good as Mercedes.

Yet Alonso brought them to two titles. In my opinion he is above both Vettel and Hamilton, he outscored them several times in a weaker car.

V8 Fireworks · 12 Apr 2020, 00:47 (Ref:3970188)

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I wonder why. Only because of his nationality?

Because Hulkenberg usually crashes when he has the chance for a good result. Meanwhile, Perez, Stroll, Sainz, Kvyat, Gasly, Magnussen, Grosjean -- they all have podiums.

Hulkenberg is probably about the same level (including the level of bad luck) as Mark "Potsie" Webber.

Unfortunately, Hulkenberg asked for too much money from HAAS, so HAAS didn't want him, so that's that!

If he was determined to continue if F1, be it driving for HAAS for cheap (refer the great job "Quick" Nick Heidfeld did at Jordan for no salary in order to stay in F1) or finding some sponsors to bring to Williams, Hulkenberg could still be in F1 -- but it seems Hulk is not interested!?

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The 2019 Renault was crap anyways compared to the 2018.

Regardless, Hulkenberg could have had a podium at Germany 2019 but (like many times before, such as Brazil 2010), Hulkenberg fell off the road instead...

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Yet Alonso brought them to two titles.

Unfortunately, Enstone facilities became outdated under GENII, while staffing level dropped well below top teams like Red Bull.

LW97 · 12 Apr 2020, 01:02 (Ref:3970191)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Unfortunately, Hulkenberg asked for too much money from HAAS, so HAAS didn't want him, so that's that!

If he was determined to continue if F1, be it driving for HAAS for cheap (refer the great job "Quick" Nick Heidfeld did at Jordan for no salary in order to stay in F1) or finding some sponsors to bring to Williams, Hulkenberg could still be in F1 -- but it seems Hulk is not interested!?

Well, why should he have been interested? Haas ain't one of the best cars and Haas have regressed a lot in comparison to 2018. I like Günther Steiner, but not the way he develops his team.

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Regardless, Hulkenberg could have had a podium at Germany 2019 but (like many times before, such as Brazil 2010), Hulkenberg fell off the road instead...

Unfortunately, Enstone facilities became outdated under GENII, while staffing level dropped well below top teams like Red Bull.

In Hockenheim he tried as much as he could, so in the rain it's obvious that it's all or nothing. I think he lacked of motivation, and so skipping the season in the end didn't turn out to be a bad descision (same for Kubica) since right now everyone has to skip at least a huge part of the season.

Despite the ages, I still see chances for both him and Kubica (who was supposed to move to Ferrari in 2012). We need to remember that Juan Manuel Fangio managed to become WC at age 46, in a time in which safety wasn't the issue. I believe even with those two drivers Mercedes would still be able to fight for the top. I would say it sounds like a dumb rule, on the other hand it would be funny if the defending champion had to switch to a mediocre team to bring it to the top.

broadrun96 · 12 Apr 2020, 02:13 (Ref:3970201)

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Originally Posted by LW97

Yet Alonso brought them to two titles. In my opinion he is above both Vettel and Hamilton, he outscored them several times in a weaker car.

Completely different operation, budget, management. Zero overlap other than the name on the chassis between this era and the Alonso Renault car

V8 Fireworks · 12 Apr 2020, 02:37 (Ref:3970203)

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he didn't have a seat for 2020 to begin with.

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Well, why should he have been interested?

In this case, it's no wonder Hulkenberg doesn't have a drive in F1 if he didn't want one in the first place!

Skam85 · 12 Apr 2020, 02:40 (Ref:3970206)

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Originally Posted by LW97

Despite the ages, I still see chances for both him and Kubica (who was supposed to move to Ferrari in 2012). We need to remember that Juan Manuel Fangio managed to become WC at age 46, in a time in which safety wasn't the issue. I believe even with those two drivers Mercedes would still be able to fight for the top. I would say it sounds like a dumb rule, on the other hand it would be funny if the defending champion had to switch to a mediocre team to bring it to the top.

Alcohol is a wonderful thing sometimes

S griffin · 12 Apr 2020, 10:03 (Ref:3970261)

It was fun when Rossi switched from his race winning Honda team to race for Yamaha and bought them a few titles. He should be applauded for that. However we can't really blame it that not many world champions have done that, for they want to remain on top if they can

LW97 · 12 Apr 2020, 10:32 (Ref:3970278)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Because Hulkenberg usually crashes when he has the chance for a good result. Meanwhile, Perez, Stroll, Sainz, Kvyat, Gasly, Magnussen, Grosjean -- they all have podiums.

Hulkenberg is probably about the same level (including the level of bad luck) as Mark "Potsie" Webber.

Unfortunately, Hulkenberg asked for too much money from HAAS, so HAAS didn't want him, so that's that!

If he was determined to continue if F1, be it driving for HAAS for cheap (refer the great job "Quick" Nick Heidfeld did at Jordan for no salary in order to stay in F1) or finding some sponsors to bring to Williams, Hulkenberg could still be in F1 -- but it seems Hulk is not interested!?

Regardless, Hulkenberg could have had a podium at Germany 2019 but (like many times before, such as Brazil 2010), Hulkenberg fell off the road instead...

Unfortunately, Enstone facilities became outdated under GENII, while staffing level dropped well below top teams like Red Bull.

Well, Red Bull is still second best behind Mercedes.

LW97 · 12 Apr 2020, 10:33 (Ref:3970279)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

In this case, it's no wonder Hulkenberg doesn't have a drive in F1 if he didn't want one in the first place!

He would have had a chance at Williams... but who wants that?

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