Official British Grand Prix 2020: Grand Prix Weekend Thread - Round 4 - Page 8

**bjohnsonsmith** · 2 Aug 2020, 15:50 (Ref:3992419)

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Originally Posted by gert

Some keep saying teams ran the hard tyres way longer than they should have, but was is that based on?

Who makes the data with the predicted stop strategy that is shown during the formation lap?
Is that Pirelli data or is that just the TV production team making that up?

FCYs? There were two caution periods and maybe teams thought they could stay out longer, as they wouldn't have been at racing speed and therefore less tyre degredation?

wolfhound · 2 Aug 2020, 15:51 (Ref:3992420)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

You’d think the teams would have known this and understood that Silverstone is a fast circuit, plenty of downforce and pushes the left front a lot. I think it was 2017 the last time (Vettel’s?). They could have pitted. Perhaps we don’t need a new tyre manufacturer we need new teams.

There have been blisters and vibrations with tyres before and the situation has been managed by the drivers. At least we didn't have a Mansell moment at Adelaide.

**Adam43** · 2 Aug 2020, 16:05 (Ref:3992425)

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Originally Posted by gert

Some keep saying teams ran the hard tyres way longer than they should have, but was is that based on?

They wouldn't have stopped on that lap if it wasn't for the SC. We've seen it before at Silverstone. It is oft referred to. It is a reasonable hypothesis at this point.

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Who makes the data with the predicted stop strategy that is shown during the formation lap?
Is that Pirelli data or is that just the TV production team making that up?

Dunno. Although it is obviously known the tyres don't last forever.

And that is probably the difference between some who brand them as absolute junk and some who don't.

Even if they did say they could last long enough, it is advisory and there were clear signs they might not. Massive bistering. Then failures on others.

Still they are racers.

**Adam43** · 2 Aug 2020, 16:06 (Ref:3992426)

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Originally Posted by wolfhound

There have been blisters and vibrations with tyres before and the situation has been managed by the drivers. At least we didn't have a Mansell moment at Adelaide.

Crikey no. Imagine the internet for that. Brain shrapnel everywhere.

**Adam43** · 2 Aug 2020, 16:08 (Ref:3992427)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Failures in the pursuit of excellence are fine by me tbf! That is to be expected.

That said, I reckon if the manufacturers were really trying the tyres would produce supreme performance and almost never fail or even wear out much.

Sounds dull. But if that is what we want...

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It has been so long since we had a tyre war and things have come a long way since.

Without competition it is hard to judge. You could see a situation that with competition who can never have supreme performance and never fail as one will always sacrfice the later more to get super-supreme performance.

gert · 2 Aug 2020, 16:14 (Ref:3992428)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

They wouldn't have stopped on that lap if it wasn't for the SC. We've seen it before at Silverstone. It is oft referred to. It is a reasonable hypothesis at this point.

Dunno. Although it is obviously known the tyres don't last forever.

And that is probably the difference between some who brand them as absolute junk and some who don't.

Even if they did say they could last long enough, it is advisory and there were clear signs they might not. Massive bistering. Then failures on others.

Still they are racers.

The predicted pit stop strategy as shown during the formation lap had:

1 stop medium - hard: lap 17-26
1 stop soft - hard: lap 14-23

Hamilton, Bottas and Sainz all stopped on lap 14, so early in the window but IN the windows nevertheless.

If that is based on Pirelli data, then the tires shouldn't just fail on lap 50 (Bottas), 51 (Sainz) and 52 (Hamilton)

The Fat Clerk · 2 Aug 2020, 16:15 (Ref:3992431)

Certainly wont encourage me to put Pirelli's on any of my cars, that's for sure.

**Adam43** · 2 Aug 2020, 16:16 (Ref:3992432)

Isn't it great that things might not develop exactly as they should in the race?

They had a pretty good indication that they were on the way out...

I do hate that tyre degredation graphic. Hamilton has 10% tyre left. I don't know what AWS is doing there.

**Adam43** · 2 Aug 2020, 16:17 (Ref:3992433)

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Originally Posted by The Fat Clerk

Certainly wont encourage me to put Pirelli's on any of my cars, that's for sure.

But you know about F1. It is clear they are different tyres built for different reasons.

Again we just want things to be so consistent that they are maximum dull?

Knowlesy · 2 Aug 2020, 16:20 (Ref:3992436)

I think I am probably coming across as caring about this far more than I actually feel like I do. :*blush*

hoffman66 · 2 Aug 2020, 16:22 (Ref:3992437)

Yet again teams pushing the limits in terms of tyre wear, I would be looking at settings etc right now to see if they are pushing camber, pressures etc, it has been known before.

Next weeks forecast is 10 degrees warmer, so sifter tyres will be hopeless.

ASCII Man · 2 Aug 2020, 16:26 (Ref:3992440)

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Originally Posted by hoffman66

Next weeks forecast is 10 degrees warmer, so sifter tyres will be hopeless.

But more entertaining!

**bjohnsonsmith** · 2 Aug 2020, 16:29 (Ref:3992442)

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Originally Posted by The Fat Clerk

Certainly wont encourage me to put Pirelli's on any of my cars, that's for sure.

Whatever you drive, drive a Firestone

chillibowl · 2 Aug 2020, 16:39 (Ref:3992444)

The absolute genius thing about all of this is that there will be a different compound selection for the 2nd half of this back to back at Silverstone.

For me this season has been so massively entertaining on so many levels.

ascarracinguk · 2 Aug 2020, 16:40 (Ref:3992445)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Whatever you drive, drive a Firestone

Sweet Jesus no.....the amount of road tyre defects they’ve had!

Don’t get Goodyear either....too many failures in NASCAR...

...Or Michelin....plenty of failures in endurance racing

...or Dunlop’s....too many failures in the BTCC

**bjohnsonsmith** · 2 Aug 2020, 16:55 (Ref:3992455)

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Originally Posted by ascarracinguk

Sweet Jesus no.....the amount of road tyre defects they’ve had!

Don’t get Goodyear either....too many failures in NASCAR...

...Or Michelin....plenty of failures in endurance racing

...or Dunlop’s....too many failures in the BTCC

That doesn't leave many options.

Knowlesy · 2 Aug 2020, 16:59 (Ref:3992457)

Kwik Fit are available.

gert · 2 Aug 2020, 17:01 (Ref:3992458)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

That doesn't leave many options.

Hankook? Yokohama? Falken?

Mike Harte · 2 Aug 2020, 17:20 (Ref:3992471)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

That doesn't leave many options.

And when you see who owns which brands, the choice is even more limited.

Michelin - France

Worlds number one tyre manufacturer. Own the brands Michelin, BF Goodrich, Kleber, Uniroyal* and Riken.

Bridgestone - Japan

One of the original big three. Own the brands Bridgestone, Firestone, Daytona and Europa.

Goodyear Dunlop - USA

Goodyear recently merged with Dunlop to form one of the largest tyre manufacturers in the world. Own the brands Dunlop, Goodyear, Fulda, Falken and Kelly.

Yokohama - Japanese

A brand in themselves, Yokohama claim to be the 7th biggest manufacturer in the world.

Pirelli - Italy

Pirelli claim to be the 5th largest tyre manufacturer in the world. Most of it's retail is through the Pirelli brand but have more recently released the Ceat and Courier brands.

Cooper Tyre - USA

Cooper recently bought the Avon brand. They now own Cooper, Avon and Mastercraft.

Continental - Germany

Owns Continental, Uniroyal*, General Tyre, Gislaved and Semperit.

Toyo - Japan

Toyo are one of the newer budget performance tyres to market. Formed many partnerships around the globe.

Kumho - Korea

Kumho is also a budget road tyre with a strong sporting range.

Apollo - India

Apollo now own Vredestein.

* To add to confusion Uniroyal is Continental owned in Europe and Michelin owned in USA

Edit: Hankook is a S Korean tyre manufacturer, and seems to be missing from the above list.

ascarracinguk · 2 Aug 2020, 17:26 (Ref:3992472)

Oh welll....off to watch IMSA..to summarise...

....that race was a lot like my sex life, an hour of boredom followed by 2 minutes of excitement and a blown rubber.

...unlike my sex life, we get to do it all again next weekend!

**bjohnsonsmith** · 2 Aug 2020, 17:44 (Ref:3992480)

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Originally Posted by Mike Harte

And when you see who owns which brands, the choice is even more limited.

Michelin - France

Worlds number one tyre manufacturer. Own the brands Michelin, BF Goodrich, Kleber, Uniroyal* and Riken.

Bridgestone - Japan

One of the original big three. Own the brands Bridgestone, Firestone, Daytona and Europa.

Goodyear Dunlop - USA

Goodyear recently merged with Dunlop to form one of the largest tyre manufacturers in the world. Own the brands Dunlop, Goodyear, Fulda, Falken and Kelly.

Yokohama - Japanese

A brand in themselves, Yokohama claim to be the 7th biggest manufacturer in the world.

Pirelli - Italy

Pirelli claim to be the 5th largest tyre manufacturer in the world. Most of it's retail is through the Pirelli brand but have more recently released the Ceat and Courier brands.

Cooper Tyre - USA

Cooper recently bought the Avon brand. They now own Cooper, Avon and Mastercraft.

Continental - Germany

Owns Continental, Uniroyal*, General Tyre, Gislaved and Semperit.

Toyo - Japan

Toyo are one of the newer budget performance tyres to market. Formed many partnerships around the globe.

Kumho - Korea

Kumho is also a budget road tyre with a strong sporting range.

Apollo - India

Apollo now own Vredestein.

* To add to confusion Uniroyal is Continental owned in Europe and Michelin owned in USA

Edit: Hankook is a S Korean tyre manufacturer, and seems to be missing from the above list.

ascarracinguk has already discredited Goodyear, Michelin and Dunlop. I haven't heard of Apollo, Kumho or Toyo. As for the others, what's their racing pedigree like?

The Fat Clerk · 2 Aug 2020, 17:45 (Ref:3992481)

Oh welll....off to watch IMSA..to summarise...

....that race was a lot like my sex life, an hour of boredom followed by 2 minutes of excitement and a blown rubber.

...unlike my sex life, we get to do it all again next weekend!

Sounds familiar

**bjohnsonsmith** · 2 Aug 2020, 17:47 (Ref:3992488)

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Originally Posted by gert

Hankook? Yokohama? Falken?

I've heard of Yokohama but do Hankook and Falken make a good racing tyre?

ASCII Man · 2 Aug 2020, 18:27 (Ref:3992515)

I don't think Bridgestone or Goodyear would even want to come back after the treatments F1/FIA gave them. Kinda like how Pirelli is treated now.

ascarracinguk · 2 Aug 2020, 18:40 (Ref:3992521)

Aren’t Pirelli doing exactly what the FIA wanted? When we had tyres In the mid 2000s everyone complained they were too hard and didn’t degrade, the FIA didn’t want that with current gen tyres

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