Formula Atlantic etc (was 'Chevron B29s') - Page 10

Chris Townsend · 8 Jan 2004, 16:58 (Ref:831749)

Dan

We [okay I] think that the Parsons car is ex Lees works F3 car, then loaned KWS Monaco 1977, then David Brotherston 77-78
The Crawford car was B45-04
Lots of B34s in F3 in UK could have gone to Ireland and had BDAs put in fairly readily. Once ground effects and the Ralt RT1 came in there wasn't much of use for them in F3

Chris

Smellybeard · 8 Jan 2004, 17:25 (Ref:831775)

We only had one B39 and one B34 over here as far as I know. One year at "The Park" both cars were red. They were very difficult to tell apart at speed.
I don't recall Parsons' B34 having a Mk9 box. Methinks there's more to an atlantic than a BDD and set of wheels (particularly the lower rear suspension links).

Dave.

Dan Rear · 9 Jan 2004, 10:53 (Ref:832504)

Chris, on F3 B34s, as I recall there were only ever 2 in the Uk in period. One the Keegan car that he won the series with, the other the Lees one. Now I think about it, I reckon the Brotherston car was the ex-SuperRupe one, so the Parsons car may have been the Lees F3 one converted. My tech knowledge is nowhere near as good as Dave's so maybe the Parsons car wasn't an F3 convert though.

As for Crawford, I'm aware of his B45, but he definitely had an Atlantic B34 at the end of 76, used at at least one of the late season Brands G8 races. Given his factory connexions, I suspect an ex-Opert car??

Cameron Winton · 9 Jan 2004, 15:16 (Ref:832730)

Response to Dan Rear's question about the Bryce Wilson B29. I remember it in Libre in Scotland back in 78. Used to do well against better cars and more experienced drivers (I think he was only 19 at the time). The car was owned by Laurence Jacobsen who converted to Supersaloon spec the next year as a Sunbeam Stiletto (Hillman Imp fast back). It ran for maybe two years then went to Eric Munnoch (Not absolutely sure about this) who used it with a Rover V8. That's the last I saw of it.(I was only a teenager at the time). Lots of memories of Scottish Motorsport in the late seventies/early eighties!

Dan Rear · 9 Jan 2004, 15:42 (Ref:832751)

Cameron, thaks for the update, were you aware of this Jeremy/Chris?? Scots/Northern England Libre was great at that time, such as Barton, Dickson, Rollo, Lawson, Jacobson, Smith, Evans etc, etc. Have you any memories of this era to enlighten us with ?

Jeremy Jackson · 9 Jan 2004, 16:49 (Ref:832821)

Thanks Cameron, I never got as far as Ingliston, so it's' news to me, although Eric Munnoch's name rings a bell from GT reports.

allenbrown · 9 Jan 2004, 18:53 (Ref:832915)

Welcome Cameron!

Ken Stone · 16 Jan 2004, 22:21 (Ref:840988)

Regarding Don Briedenbach"s March 75b, I own it not Seiniger. Don's car is 75B/4; Seiniger's is 752-38 or 36. I know this because Tim Fortner and I restored both cars and sold Seiniger his. His car is a bitsa put together in 1976 by Richard Paul's mechanic to run in FB in 1976 and has a F3 tub. Briendenbach has seen 75B/4 and recognised it as his car and I have the log book to prove it. I also own 722-6 which supposedly is Bob Lazier's car by hearsay.

allenbrown · 16 Jan 2004, 23:01 (Ref:841039)

Welcome Ken

Can you tell us who drove Don's car in 1976 and later seasons? Also, do you know who drove the bitsa in Formula Atlantic?

Allen

Bryan Miller · 16 Jan 2004, 23:12 (Ref:841049)

Re. my ex. Eddie Jordan 74B-12 , after Eddie sold car at end of 1977 the car went to Colin Simpson , and I now have 3 adverts for him selling car at end 1978 and into 21-6-1979, fitted at some stage after he purchased with a 1800cc BDE on injection.
Did he only use the car on the hills or was he involved in some of the circuit events you are all discussing here, before the car was sold to come over to Western Australia.?

Colin Simpson was from at the time of selling the car ,in Dundee Scotland.

Thanks Bryan.

Ken Stone · 18 Jan 2004, 01:45 (Ref:842023)

Quote:

Originally posted by allenbrown
Welcome Ken

Can you tell us who drove Don's car in 1976 and later seasons? Also, do you know who drove the bitsa in Formula Atlantic?

Allen

I will have to go get the logbook to tell you for sure. I bought the car from Roger Downer in Petaluma, Ca in 2000 after it had sat used for ten years. He had put a iron BDG in it with carbs but never ran it to the best of my knowledge. As far as 752-36 is concerned it was only run in Cal Club in southern Ca and never ran Atlantic. It passed through sveral hands then sat in the south Bay area for years till I bought as a roller and then restored it. I will get back to you regarding 75B/4 later this week when I have time. Ken Stone

Bryan Miller · 18 Jan 2004, 04:23 (Ref:842068)

Chris,
Re. your suggestion of B43 F3 Chevrons being converted to run F/Atlantic in Ireland , I would agree with Dave, a lot more to it than chucking a BDA at the eng. bay , and letting the rest make it's own arrangement, Only two people over here ever tried saving weight by running BDA/MK9 combo's , and both spent a lot of money with Hewland , the other aspect would be brakes , and poss. also fuel tankage.

Bryan.

18 Jan 2004, 05:17 (Ref:842075)

Allen, The Briedenbach car next went to a so. cal. local by the name of Jeff Alkana. He won the regional championship in 77 with it. Next was Alan Holly, then Steve Brimmer, a studio exec. I know Brimmer had the car sitting for a number of years.

Chris Townsend · 18 Jan 2004, 10:59 (Ref:842237)

Ken

I have a few questions about the bitsa built by Richard Paul.
Did the 752-36 or 38 plate come from March or was it a modification
of the 753 plate? Or was it the tub number?

The highest number 752 seen in Europe is in the low 20s and I'm puzzled if this is in continuity with the build records.

But thanks so much for your help on Briedenbach's car. Do you have any more history on 722-6 that might help us link it all the way through?

Chris

allenbrown · 18 Jan 2004, 11:15 (Ref:842250)

Thanks FA-reject

Your occasional posts are always worth the wait! Just to digress for a moment (which is what this thread should have been named), what's your knowledge like of S.Pac Regional F5000 and ASR in the late 1970s?

Allen

18 Jan 2004, 21:44 (Ref:842688)

Allen, I ran atlantics in the so. cal. region in the late seventies. We always ran with the 5000 cars even though they were sports racers by then. Some were full bodied, and some open wheel. Questions? Ask away.

Ken Stone · 19 Jan 2004, 01:30 (Ref:842856)

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris Townsend
Ken

I have a few questions about the bitsa built by Richard Paul.
Did the 752-36 or 38 plate come from March or was it a modification
of the 753 plate? Or was it the tub number?

The highest number 752 seen in Europe is in the low 20s and I'm puzzled if this is in continuity with the build records.

But thanks so much for your help on Briedenbach's car. Do you have any more history on 722-6 that might help us link it all the way through?

Chris

Looking at my records 753-38 was stamped on the front bulkhead of Seiniger's car. Richard Paul owned it sold it to James Wood in 1978 then to Eric Steeg in 1987. I bought it from a body shop guy in 1997 or so and restored it correctly and sold it to Seiniger. He has the remainder of the records. 75B/4 Scca #33-862 was driven by Briendenbach but owned by Johnnie Crean or he was the owner before Briendenbach. Briendenbach sold the car to Jeff Alcana in 1976; then to Alan Holly in 1976, then to Steven Bremmer in 1978 running it to 1979 then Roger Downer had it from 1990 till I bought it in 2000 and restored it. 722/6 ran as a 75b in Cal club by George Seydell till 1979. I bought the car restored by Marc Bahner in 1992. He told me it was Lazier's car but has never found the original logbook and I wrote Lazier to confirm but he never replied. There are 5 722's on the West coast; 3 running as 722's and one as a 76. All the above info is from the logbooks. Ken Stone

Ken Stone · 19 Jan 2004, 01:32 (Ref:842858)

I found one more name for 75B/4. Walter Hagstrom had the car in 1988. Ken

Chris Townsend · 19 Jan 2004, 09:45 (Ref:843095)

Ken

722-6 was originally used in period [both 72 and 73 seasons] by Jean-Claude Favre, in Euro F2 and I guess the odd hillclimb.
Any idea when George Seydell got it?

Chris

David McKinney · 19 Jan 2004, 11:08 (Ref:843136)

I have Favre's 1973 car as 722/16

Smellybeard · 19 Jan 2004, 22:28 (Ref:843246)

While we're on the subject of Marches again, our March "Atlantic", 742/88 has an odd SCCA number, 073. No prefix.
Has anyone any idea how and when it might have aquired it?

David.

Ken Stone · 20 Jan 2004, 01:26 (Ref:843452)

Quote:

Originally posted by Chris Townsend
Ken

722-6 was originally used in period [both 72 and 73 seasons] by Jean-Claude Favre, in Euro F2 and I guess the odd hillclimb.
Any idea when George Seydell got it?

Chris

I have no info as to how Seydell got the car. Tim Fortner reminded me that Chick Gladding was Richard Paul's mechanic and built 753-38 for him if that is of any help.

Chris Townsend · 20 Jan 2004, 09:15 (Ref:843694)

Dave

John Smith in N.Ireland currently owns 722-16 [according to Richard Young] and says it is the car he bought new from March in 1972.
Motoring News shows Beuttler as using that car at the first race that season but that wouldn't preclude it from Smith's ownership thereafter [or the plate being swapped.]

Chris

Bryan Miller · 2 May 2004, 05:13 (Ref:958364)

Chris.

As this thread is your baby, can you advise what Chevron B29 cars we have come up with via this thread and their chassis numbers.

Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 3 May 2004, 11:55 (Ref:959253)

Ok

B29 Chevron's update.

1: Waiting for independent confirmation of history

2: Works test car. Used by Crawford early season in UK, then to Opert for James Crawley in UK. Probably taken to US end of 1975

3: Opert for Hector Rebaque in Euro F2 and then Canadian Atlantic. 1976 sold to Carl Leibich

4: Wheatcroft for Richard Morgan. Mid season to Brett Riley. 1976 - 77 Ken Bailey. 1978 Eddie Jordan, 1979 Vivian Candy. Broken for spares in 1980s

5: Albert Poon

6: Alo Lawler till 1976. 1977 John Eastwood; 1978: Joey Greenan; 1979 Ken Fildes

7: Waiting for independent confirmation of history

8: Opert

9: Opert

10: ROC. Xavier Lapeyre in Euro F2 to end 1976

11 Not built [Chevron rarely built 11; 22; 33 etc]

12: ROC for Christian Ethuin in Euro F2

13 Not built

14: Waiting for independent confirmation of history

15: SDC for Stephen Choularton early season, then Crawford. 1976 Len Booysen in S. Africa

16: Bill Brack; 1976: Brad Abbott

17: Peter Williams. 1976 Run for Crawford by Williams then sold mid season to Martin Birrane. 1977 Birrane

18: Rapid Movements for MAtt Spitzley and late season Gunnar Nilsson. 1976: John Gibb in S. Africa

19: SDC for Stephen Choularton. Used late season by Richard Morgan when replaced by Henton at Wheatcroft. 1976: Phil Dowsett; 1977: John Ledlie

20: Waiting for independent confirmation of history

21: Waiting for independent confirmation of history

22: Not built

23: Waiting for independent confirmation of history

24: Waiting for independent confirmation of history

25: Waiting for independent confirmation of history

26: Waiting for independent confirmation of history

27: Gustav Hoeker for Harald Ertl [Euro F2]. 1976: Helmut Bross for MAnfred Schurti. 1977: Bross and Alois Muller

28: Probably an Opert car at Trois Rivieres new for Dolhem or Jarier

29: Derek Cook. 1976/77 Jeremy Rossiter

30: Works: Hans Binder [Euro F2]; 1976: Brian Redman in NZ then to Dave Oxton; 1977: Oxton to Eric Morgan till 1981. Then to Chris Read.

Chris