Monaco Historic GP 2012 - Page 2

delta · 25 May 2011, 07:20 (Ref:2885579)

Having been a few times running cars and also driving last time,I seem to of encountered all the problems that have been thrown at me. I will do a MUST DO,MUST GET post sometime closer to the event. One thing anyone thinking of entering should look at now!!! is your fuel tank date and paper work. Dont leave it to the last minuit

terence · 25 May 2011, 07:49 (Ref:2885591)

Sorry for this but can I ask HOW 'Mon Ami' got those pictures of next year?

SAMD · 25 May 2011, 08:04 (Ref:2885598)

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Originally Posted by terence bower

Sorry for this but can I ask HOW 'Mon Ami' got those pictures of next year?

You're letting yourself down here Terence, Exposing the Star Trek sized gap in your education. Have you never heard of warp drive?

PeterMorley · 25 May 2011, 09:45 (Ref:2885633)

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Originally Posted by Ben Shuckburgh

Thanks Peter. That's really helpful. I can but try!

It has to be worth doing once...

There is a theory that the reason they hold it every two years is that it gives people enough time to forget all the aggro so that they enter again!

Saying that we never had any of the problems people talk about (and a lot of people do talk about them!) - probably helped by only finishing the car the day before it's due to leave which means everything is new and in date.

compte deGraves · 26 May 2011, 12:41 (Ref:2886152)

I met the scrutineer's relative with the racing clothes concession. It cost me nearly 200 euros for a new set of gloves.

Marcus Mussa · 27 May 2011, 12:28 (Ref:2886674)

As it is an FIA event the scrutineers will be very strict about roll-bar heights (see this year's Appendix K, I think it has to be 2" above the helmet). They will come and check on the grid! Incidentally you will not be allowed just to weld an extra hoop on top. I think when you send in your entry you will have to include a side view of the car with driver installed.
Marcus

RICHARD.T · 27 May 2011, 15:37 (Ref:2886757)

Hi Marcus.
Thanks for the information.
Am I correct in thinking that the French Classic F3 Rules say you must use a Hans Device and so if the race is run to the French rules we must also use a Hans device?

Marcus Mussa · 28 May 2011, 07:59 (Ref:2886986)

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Originally Posted by RICHARD.T

Hi Marcus.
Thanks for the information.
Am I correct in thinking that the French Classic F3 Rules say you must use a Hans Device and so if the race is run to the French rules we must also use a Hans device?

As far as I know they only run to French rules as far as car eligibility and tyres are concerned - for the rest it is FIA (remember last year with the fire extinguishers). Anyway there is no harm in fitting a Hans. Did I tell you they will have a proper official class for the UK cars? The class you won last year you sod!
Marcus

RICHARD.T · 28 May 2011, 09:42 (Ref:2887020)

delta · 28 May 2011, 10:01 (Ref:2887027)

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Originally Posted by RICHARD.T

Dont let him in next year Marcus

RICHARD.T · 28 May 2011, 10:05 (Ref:2887032)

Thank's Delta!

redlight · 29 May 2011, 10:33 (Ref:2887400)

Now children steady on..... Marcus you run with UK class so you count as one of us surely?

Henrik Pedersen · 3 Jun 2011, 19:32 (Ref:2890737)

How strickt are they enforcing the roolbar rule ?

I know of the rule, but I have never seen it enforced. There are plenty of Lotus 25/33, Maserati 250 and several other cars, that don´t have these big roolbars, now why is that ?

Marcus Mussa · 4 Jun 2011, 11:39 (Ref:2890976)

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Originally Posted by Henrik Pedersen

How strickt are they enforcing the roolbar rule ?2

I know of the rule, but I have never seen it enforced. There are plenty of Lotus 25/33, Maserati 250 and several other cars, that don´t have these big roolbars, now why is that ?

I believe the rulebar roll will be strictly enforced. Pre-1961 cars do not have to have a rollbar, which means you will be ok with your 250F. The one on your Lotus 33 will have to be 2 inches above your helmet.

grantp · 4 Jun 2011, 12:02 (Ref:2890992)

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Originally Posted by Marcus Mussa

I believe the rulebar roll will be strictly enforced. Pre-1961 cars do not have to have a rollbar, which means you will be ok with your 250F. The one on your Lotus 33 will have to be 2 inches above your helmet.

I was wondering whether recent helmet developments may have contributed to concerns about the height of roll bars. It may be my imagination but it seems to me that helmets are slowly becoming larger (presumably for improved protective gap and padding material between the shell of the helmet and the wearer's skull) and that many seem to be worn rather high on the head.

However a quick picture search for Lotus 33 suggested that current historic drivers and Jim Clark in 1965 have about the same helmet height to roll bar height relationship. Whilst the hoops look a little different and the overall mountings seem to have been modified over time, the height seems relatively consistent.

I'm not sure the car would look right with a higher hoop so one hopes it may be possible to lower the driver if necessary.

Marcus Mussa · 30 Jun 2011, 09:01 (Ref:2908451)

The present position regarding the F3 races at the next Monaco Historic GP is that the 1600 cc cars will no longer be included (the race will be for 2000 cc cars alone). And the F3 1000 cc cars are still uncertain as Big Tobacco wants to run a parade for Poncing Horse owners. Rather unfortunate, but I am still plugging away at the organizers! (would like to do the race myself).

Alan Cox · 30 Jun 2011, 21:17 (Ref:2908897)

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Originally Posted by Marcus Mussa

The present position regarding the F3 races at the next Monaco Historic GP is that the 1600 cc cars will no longer be included (the race will be for 2000 cc cars alone). And the F3 1000 cc cars are still uncertain as Big Tobacco wants to run a parade for Poncing Horse owners. Rather unfortunate, but I am still plugging away at the organizers! (would like to do the race myself).

Well, Marcus, I'm sure the 'Poncing Horses' will bring in large crowds to marvel at their extraordinary wealth (I don't think). Wishing you success in your lobbying. I know I can well do without any of the parades - last year's Chopard Auto-Union 'demo' was a complete washout.

R D P · 1 Jul 2011, 07:31 (Ref:2909095)

Who would forget the phantastic show of the F1 Clienti (or how they are called) in 2008.
I am pretty sure that a parade of - if I understand this correctly - street cars would be even more gripping stuff !
Who would want another epic screamer race instead ?

Ralf

Racesport · 7 Jul 2011, 14:24 (Ref:2923317)

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Originally Posted by Marcus Mussa

The present position regarding the F3 races at the next Monaco Historic GP is that the 1600 cc cars will no longer be included (the race will be for 2000 cc cars alone). And the F3 1000 cc cars are still uncertain as Big Tobacco wants to run a parade for Poncing Horse owners. Rather unfortunate, but I am still plugging away at the organizers! (would like to do the race myself).

Hi Marcus, Is it confirmed that 1600 F3 will be excluded? I'm really sad for my Ensign!

Thank you.

Kind regards.

Carlo.

Marcus Mussa · 7 Jul 2011, 16:15 (Ref:2923348)

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Originally Posted by Racesport

Hi Marcus, Is it confirmed that 1600 F3 will be excluded? I'm really sad for my Ensign!

Thank you.

Kind regards.

Carlo.

Yes I am afraid so, also there will definitely be no 1000cc race either. The draft regulations are being mailed out this week and can be consulted on the website a few days later.
Marcus

compte deGraves · 7 Jul 2011, 16:32 (Ref:2923353)

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Originally Posted by Marcus Mussa

The present position regarding the F3 races at the next Monaco Historic GP is that the 1600 cc cars will no longer be included (the race will be for 2000 cc cars alone). And the F3 1000 cc cars are still uncertain as Big Tobacco wants to run a parade for Poncing Horse owners. Rather unfortunate, but I am still plugging away at the organizers! (would like to do the race myself).

Marcus you may recall that the last time they let those Poncing Horses do a "parade" lap it had to be red flagged for a big crash at the chicane after the tunnel.

grantp · 7 Jul 2011, 16:36 (Ref:2923354)

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Originally Posted by compte deGraves

Marcus you may recall that the last time they let those Poncing Horses do a "parade" lap it had to be red flagged for a big crash at the chicane after the tunnel.

Could that be added to the programme once again and advertised in advance? Pretty sure it would help the attendance figures.

R D P · 7 Jul 2011, 16:41 (Ref:2923357)

Good idea - we missed it while being away for lunch !

Racesport · 9 Jul 2011, 20:39 (Ref:2924301)

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Originally Posted by Marcus Mussa

Yes I am afraid so, also there will definitely be no 1000cc race either. The draft regulations are being mailed out this week and can be consulted on the website a few days later.
Marcus

But following the "News" of the ACM website the F3 1000 and F3 1600 are in the 2012 programme: this means that the 2012 list of races will be changed next week?

Many thanks.

Carlo.

redlight · 11 Jul 2011, 20:14 (Ref:2925264)

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The present position regarding the F3 races at the next Monaco Historic GP is that the 1600 cc cars will no longer be included (the race will be for 2000 cc cars alone).

Would this have something to do with the speed differential and possibly the accident last year?

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