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Old 14 Jun 2019, 00:26 (Ref:3909972)   #46
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Last I read, GRM/ASM were attempting to repair it.

As for Mazda, the impetus is there via TCR Japan, to get them involved. In Australia? Pigs may fly.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 02:59 (Ref:3909987)   #47
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Last I read, GRM/ASM were attempting to repair it.

As for Mazda, the impetus is there via TCR Japan, to get them involved. In Australia? Pigs may fly.
But still a lot more chance than another manufacturer in Supercars.

As for factory involvement, the article says they are looking to run via an established team, so same as Honda is doing and holden has done since forever.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 07:35 (Ref:3910006)   #48
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But still a lot more chance than another manufacturer in Supercars.

As for factory involvement, the article says they are looking to run via an established team, so same as Honda is doing and holden has done since forever.




I would believe Mazda looking seriously at TCR in the States, they have often had a motor sport presence there.
Remember they ran the horrible Mazda 6 Diesels in Rolex 5 years ago which had no relevance to any other series anywhere else in the World.
No-one would have predicted those to replace the RX-8s at the time.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 07:47 (Ref:3910010)   #49
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They were a stunning looking race car.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 09:09 (Ref:3910039)   #50
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Mazda are still running in IMSA with the DPi car but without diesel engine and are more competitive running with famed sports car Team Joest.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 10:06 (Ref:3910058)   #51
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[a factory supported entry]

.... which is against the rules of TCR

Then again, I dunno what the hell the Cyan racing team in WTCR is, if it isn't a factory racing team?
Where has the information come from suggesting this is against the rules of TCR?

The TCR Technical Regulations state:
'Manufacturers [...] may delegate to an Engineering Company to develop a TCR car and to represent the manufacturer's interests in relations with WSC[...]
WSC is the only authority entitled to authorize any Manufacturers or Engineering Company to build a TCR car [...]
Any Manufacturer [...] interested to build and certificate a TCR car must contact WSC'


Which is almost the exact opposite of being against the rules.

From the TCRA website:
'TCR Series rules stipulate that fully-fledged factory owned entires are prohibited, however, car manufacturers are encouraged to support its cars entered by professional or private teams.'

Ignoring the spelling mistake with entries, then what are Mazda doing that is wrong if a factory supported entry does not align with 'manufacturers are encouraged to support its cars'?
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 10:34 (Ref:3910065)   #52
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By support, it implies that the manufacturer should invest in the car's development through a constructor, rather than throwing money directly at a specific team.
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Old 14 Jun 2019, 11:58 (Ref:3910098)   #53
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At eastern creek I spoke to a former team owner from another series who said both Mazda and Toyota would be in the series in 2020, and that he was interested in putting something together.
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Old 15 Jun 2019, 23:30 (Ref:3911329)   #54
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Funny how people pooh-poohed my suggestion that this would really increase costs when it inevitably happen...
Pushing your standard "cars shouldn't be built from production shells" line still....

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Not that I take issue with Mazda joining, but Auto Action spruiks:


.... which is against the rules of TCR

Then again, I dunno what the hell the Cyan racing team in WTCR is, if it isn't a factory racing team?
factory supported teams have never been against the rules, just factory owned and run teams. Same goes with GT3, both are built on the same principles

Cyan Racing is not a factory team, unless you are telling us Geely owns them?
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The racing was close when it was happening but there were far too many accidents spreading the field out and lots of cars with major damage.
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Pushing your standard "cars shouldn't be built from production shells" line still....
After 2 races with the possibility of 2 cars already potentially needing a re-shell, albeit at a track notorious for serious accidents, I hardly think its a ridiculous assertion.

Obviously Gregg Hansford died in similar cars to TCR at this track, and it is a fairly well held belief that the crash between Courtney and Premat at PI could have resulted in a fatality if the car had been a production shell with driver in the standard position, rather than the COTF.

So you can't argue with the fact that TCR is less safe, and more expensive to repair serious crashes than a bespoke racing chassis, but they are half the price to buy.

Are TCR cars as fast as super tourers were?

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factory supported teams have never been against the rules, just factory owned and run teams. Same goes with GT3, both are built on the same principles
The AA article made it sound as though Mazda was "arranging" for the cars to be shipped down here and was going to own them.

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Cyan Racing is not a factory team, unless you are telling us Geely owns them?
Yeah and Bernie Ecclestone never owned F1.

They were THE Volvo factory racing outfit, and they are the Geely factory racing outfit, in every other way other than paper ownership.

Even the press says it:
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The oddly named mobility startup Lynk & Co announced on Friday that it's going racing. It has partnered with Cyan Racing, aka the official Volvo factory motorsports team, to try its luck in the FIA World Touring Car Championship, something with which Cyan is intimately familiar.
It is semantics, but if you look at the colours and talent in that team, it is as much a factory effort as their Supercars, WTCC, STCC etc has been.
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After 2 races with the possibility of 2 cars already potentially needing a re-shell, albeit at a track notorious for serious accidents, I hardly think its a ridiculous assertion.

Obviously Gregg Hansford died in similar cars to TCR at this track, and it is a fairly well held belief that the crash between Courtney and Premat at PI could have resulted in a fatality if the car had been a production shell with driver in the standard position, rather than the COTF.

So you can't argue with the fact that TCR is less safe, and more expensive to repair serious crashes than a bespoke racing chassis, but they are half the price to buy.

Are TCR cars as fast as super tourers were?



The AA article made it sound as though Mazda was "arranging" for the cars to be shipped down here and was going to own them.



Yeah and Bernie Ecclestone never owned F1.

They were THE Volvo factory racing outfit, and they are the Geely factory racing outfit, in every other way other than paper ownership.

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It is semantics, but if you look at the colours and talent in that team, it is as much a factory effort as their Supercars, WTCC, STCC etc has been.
Motor Racing is dangerous and surely touring cars just are what they are? You have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to keeping the integrity of a touring car series. Proper touring cars are built from production shells, BTCC current regs do this for instance.

Supercars might trade off a touring car heritage, but the cars are purpose built prototypes, what separates them from a Radical??

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As for works cars, are there any complaints about Schnitzer's GT3 BMWs that race in factory colours, and have been a works BMW team for decades? Similarly the Msport Bentley's, or the Joest GT3 Audi's of the past.

GT3 has the same works Entry principles as TCR, why don't those GT3 entries raise any ire but the Cyan entries do?
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GT3 has the same works Entry principles as TCR, why don't those GT3 entries raise any ire but the Cyan entries do?
TCR is championing the fact that it is so cost-effective, but if they are going to allow de-facto factory operations then that could well change radically, and history repeats.
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