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Old 4 Jul 2019, 08:26 (Ref:3915823)   #16
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People complain bitterly and lament the death of the sport all too quickly after a quiet race (France), and seemingly lose sight of the fact that bad races are quite inevitable, and then lo and behold a great race comes along (Austria).

Watch back some races from past eras (full race coverage, not the highlights) - there has always been boring / bad / noncompetitive races - races when the first two cars lap the entire field. Of course, we always remember the exciting bits, but who remembers the dull races?

That's not to say F1 is perfect. I would love to see the midfield teams able to bring the fight to the top 3 teams. And DRS is not really what I like to see, but is a necessary evil at the present time.
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Old 4 Jul 2019, 11:00 (Ref:3915842)   #17
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Yeah - but what we didn't have was a rule book two feet bloody thick which is apparently written , and applied , to suck every little bit of drama and spontaneity out of a sport whose heritage is founded on both .



It is absurd enough penalising a team because an engine blows up , but when every single move on track , almost every overtaking move that isn't by the ridiculous DRS triggers whingeing noises from the cockpit, a f****g 'investigation' (into why a racing driver drove, y'know , like he was..err...racing) and, as often as not , a 'penalty'.



It's insane , and it is turning my sport into a lame parody of what it should be .
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Old 4 Jul 2019, 11:15 (Ref:3915844)   #18
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Agreed wholeheartedly except for the autocensor dodge. Try to keep it clean.
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Old 4 Jul 2019, 11:17 (Ref:3915846)   #19
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I don't watch F1 any more, therefore I can stop whining about it. F1 doesn't value me as a fan, so why should I value it as a sport?
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Old 4 Jul 2019, 11:18 (Ref:3915847)   #20
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Oh, sorry, Coppice, I didn't realise it was your sport

Back to the OP though - others have already mentioned social media, forums like this and stuff on the Internet generally, but speaking from a very personal perspective it's the immediacy that's killing everything with negativity.

Time was you had to wait for your preferred Thursday publication to come along to catch up on what happened last weekend, and along with it came reasoned and in-depth analysis and additional background context that you could then sit in the pub and argue about/discuss with your friends.

Nowadays, we can all voice an opinion on any subject (whether we're familiar with it or not) immediately, wherever we are in the world. The context is usually missing, the reasons for whatever we're opining on aren't necessarily there, and it's usually easier to moan than it is to congratulate or whoop'n'holler with joy.

Along with the immediacy is polarity: if you're not with me, you're against me. Thankfully, most of the time, Tenths is a fairly nuanced place without a great deal of blinkered bias - although not always! - and it is possible to hold multiple viewpoints here without being slagged off endlessly. It's an island of nuanced, non-polarised calm in a sea of murky polarity

To me, the word "whiner" sits alongside "fanboy". It's a word that's used as a stick to beat people, and it shouldn't be.
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Old 4 Jul 2019, 17:06 (Ref:3915883)   #21
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It's 'my sport' because I have loved it for half a century . It may be yours too - and anybody else's who feels the same addiction.



I don't have exclusive rights , more's the pity . But my word (keeping it clean , please note Mr Mallett ) , there'd be some changes happening PDQ if I did .
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Old 5 Jul 2019, 13:00 (Ref:3916018)   #22
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In the days of news by print in magazines and the weekly comics the fan had little or no input and their was very little discussion about the management of any sort as all they reported was the races and maybe some team news and I am not sure that was a bad thing at all. Now we have the fan that includes himself inclusively with "my team" or "we need to do this or that" etc when they comment. Very tribal and not good for the sport at all IMHO but then I am an old fart who is not enamoured with a lot of social media and all it entails.
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Old 5 Jul 2019, 13:09 (Ref:3916020)   #23
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It's 'my sport' because I have loved it for half a century . It may be yours too - and anybody else's who feels the same addiction.
I think the point being made was around the use of 'my' as a possessive determiner for the sport, suggesting ownership of the sport.

Possible the correct terminology would be 'my favourite', thereby indicating a possession of the adjective and not the noun, or possibly 'my sport I love', indicating a possession of the verb

Unless the phrase 'my sport' was being used to indicate a participation?
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Old 5 Jul 2019, 15:38 (Ref:3916033)   #24
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as it so happens i have like officially become a member of several F1 teams by having joined their fan club, giving them my email, and buying some of their kit at the official team member discount price.

but seriously though, its pretty common for fans to see themselves as part of the 'team' and the sport and teams encourage this.

'my' country, 'my' government, 'my' religion...these possessive determiners are meant to indicate participation, inclusion in, and belief of not in ownership.

so getting back on point...i agree lots of issues with social media but surely people are not advocating that large scale participation is the root problem here?

sure you are going to see and hear a lot of people doing and saying a lot of goofy stuff but no sport is an island.

a big part of the experience of a sporting event is sharing that experience with potentially tens of thousands live, with million on TV, and untold more on line. interaction, even with the nutters out there, is all part of the show (and always has been) no?
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Old 6 Jul 2019, 04:19 (Ref:3916081)   #25
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I think the point being made was around the use of 'my' as a possessive determiner for the sport, suggesting ownership of the sport.

Possible the correct terminology would be 'my favourite', thereby indicating a possession of the adjective and not the noun, or possibly 'my sport I love', indicating a possession of the verb

Unless the phrase 'my sport' was being used to indicate a participation?

I think you are being a tad disingenuous. You know perfectly well what I meant , and you should also know that such usage is widespread and acceptable. My other sport is fly fishing by the way , although , as in the case of motor sport , I don't claim exclusive rights. Nor do I in the case of my music ...


Anyway , it's 6am and time for me to set off to watch some speed hillclimbing, another of my sports. Enjoy your day
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I don't think it's always the case. Depends on the general perception of the driver too. Leclerc was visibly upset after the last race (which was completely understandable) and no one complained about him leaving the podium for champagne etc. However, if that was a driver that's more negatively perceived by the fans maybe they would react differently?
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I don't think it's always the case. Depends on the general perception of the driver too. Leclerc was visibly upset after the last race (which was completely understandable) and no one complained about him leaving the podium for champagne etc. However, if that was a driver that's more negatively perceived by the fans maybe they would react differently?
I don't think it's true to say no-one complained. I expect there were quite a few on more active F1 forums.

More and more people these days seem to take everything that is posted on-line as 100% factual and something that the poster believes in totally. A great deal of the time (especially on forums with a strong British contingent) it's all about the windup and fans of a certain driver rise to the bait every single time.

Not something that I do personally but it always staggers me the amount of people that just seem incapable of telling sarcasm and windups from reality.
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I chopped the header short because I couldn't think of a shorter way to put it.

We have a new trend in F1 fandom, if someone within the teams dares to even open his or her mouth and express dissatisfaction of something they are automatically accused of whining by the fandom of the sport. Is it fair to say the fans are whining also? I must admit if anything turns me off F1 it will be the childish attitude of the fans and their attitude surrounding this.
Old days. Media was agricultural. Controversies took awhile to process. Your social circle was in your physical proximity.

These days: social media, large networks, fertile ground for hysteria - everyone loses their mind.

It's probably that.
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