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Old 9 Jul 2019, 19:34 (Ref:3916736)   #406
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Old 9 Jul 2019, 19:46 (Ref:3916737)   #407
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Old 9 Jul 2019, 23:59 (Ref:3916769)   #408
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Going back to the point about a paucity of cars, back in 1984 we had a number of 956s all run by different teams, plus marques such as Rondeau; Group 44 Jaguar etc. Then there were the remains of the Group 5 cars such as the Kremer 935 etc.

So there was little varaiety in those days yet the racing was pretty good. I think the only thing "spoiling" the current format is the difference between technology v Old fashioned engines. This is why the loss of the Fords and BMWs is important, since the GT classes appear to be where the best racing is to be had at the moment.

Granted there are a fair number of LMP2 cars but I get the feeling they are there to bolster numbers even though it appears to be a competitive class.
GTE-Am is filler if anything, but the LMP2 cars are for the most part closer to the overall leader than most of the C1 cars in the 80s. It's just the best performance:dollar in the championship.

The structure of the championship is also much different so it's not a straight comparison. The 1984 WSC had 7 European rounds, 1 North American, 2 far eastern, and 1 African, and literally nobody did the full season (only 3 Group C cars even entered Kyalami, but disregarding that you're looking at single digits for international teams that bothered with Australia and barely more for Fuji and Mosport). 2019-20 is 3 European, 2 East Asian, 1 Middle East, 1 North American, and 1 South American and about 30 teams will do all of the races.
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Old 10 Jul 2019, 12:06 (Ref:3916825)   #409
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If the teams could pick and choose events and classes as they pleased, as per ILMC and LMS days, Bahrain would see a 8 car entry list and Spa 53. But they'd also integrate regional series into them so inevitably no event would have sub 20 entries. In any case the end result would be events and grids standing out instead of more of the same every event

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Old 10 Jul 2019, 13:45 (Ref:3916849)   #410
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GTE-Am is filler if anything, but the LMP2 cars are for the most part closer to the overall leader than most of the C1 cars in the 80s. It's just the best performance:dollar in the championship.

The structure of the championship is also much different so it's not a straight comparison. The 1984 WSC had 7 European rounds, 1 North American, 2 far eastern, and 1 African, and literally nobody did the full season (only 3 Group C cars even entered Kyalami, but disregarding that you're looking at single digits for international teams that bothered with Australia and barely more for Fuji and Mosport). 2019-20 is 3 European, 2 East Asian, 1 Middle East, 1 North American, and 1 South American and about 30 teams will do all of the races.
Agreed not a direct comparison but merely used to demonstrate that a lack of variety has been the case many times before.
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Old 10 Jul 2019, 14:50 (Ref:3916861)   #411
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Well, this is awkward. Ligier's UK distributor running an Oreca in the WEC? I wonder if this is for real?

Almost a spec class if this does happen. Just the one Dallara in a sea of Orecas.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...r-wec-program/
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Old 10 Jul 2019, 15:31 (Ref:3916867)   #412
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Hmm... how long until Cetilar announce their own chassis switch?
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Old 10 Jul 2019, 16:09 (Ref:3916880)   #413
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Don't worry ACO will just start bopping the spec chassis regularly and then the teams shall switch back

Lol

Anyway it doesn't really matter to Onroak, they have the cartel market share in LMP3 whilst Oreca has in LMP2, it's just trade off

Btw - "Per WEC rules, teams are allowed one chassis change per season." why then Dragonspeed wasn't allowed to change Dallara to Ginetta for LM...
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Don't worry ACO will just start bopping the spec chassis regularly and then the teams shall switch back

Lol

Anyway it doesn't really matter to Onroak, they have the cartel market share in LMP3 whilst Oreca has in LMP2, it's just trade off

Btw - "Per WEC rules, teams are allowed one chassis change per season." why then Dragonspeed wasn't allowed to change Dallara to Ginetta for LM...
Because there are rules for each class, Dragonspeed was not trying to change an LMP2 car.
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Old 11 Jul 2019, 07:29 (Ref:3916970)   #415
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https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/autospor...-aan-voor-wec/

Sorry this is in Dutch but it says that Job van Uitert will do two races with Racing Team Nederland next season, Silverstone in place of Nyck de Vries who has to drive F2 that weekend and Shanghai in place of Frits van Eerd. A combination of van der Garde / de Vries / van Uitert in an Oreca by TDS racing is a nice shot at victory!
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Old 11 Jul 2019, 08:21 (Ref:3916974)   #416
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Well, this is awkward. Ligier's UK distributor running an Oreca in the WEC? I wonder if this is for real?

Almost a spec class if this does happen. Just the one Dallara in a sea of Orecas.

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...r-wec-program/
As per DSC:

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...0-fia-wec.html

Who is the customer here? Phil Hanson?
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Sorry this is in Dutch but it says that Job van Uitert will do two races with Racing Team Nederland next season, Silverstone in place of Nyck de Vries who has to drive F2 that weekend and Shanghai in place of Frits van Eerd. A combination of van der Garde / de Vries / van Uitert in an Oreca by TDS racing is a nice shot at victory!
That's also a Gold Plus combo so pas de party.

Edit: Job is a Silver rated driver apparently....

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A combination of van der Garde / de Vries / van Uitert in an Oreca by TDS racing is a nice shot at victory!
Nice line-up indeed. Conveniently, Job already races for TDS (G-Drive) in the LMS, so he knows the car and (operating) team already.
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As per DSC:

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...0-fia-wec.html

Who is the customer here? Phil Hanson?
Ligier terminates United Autosport's UK distribution deal.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...marketing.html
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Ligier terminates United Autosport's UK distribution deal.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...marketing.html
Not surprising, is it?
It is rather "weird" to have your official distributor use your direct competitor's products instead of your own.

In a later piece on DSC, United says they now own 3 Oreca's (1 new + 2 ex JDC Miller)
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