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A dream 2010 F1 Calendar.
After reading some threads on San Marino GP etc., I was just wondering what the ideal your ideal season would consist of? Mine would be:
1. Aussie GP in Adelaide. 2. Japanese GP at Sazuka 3. Night GP at Singapore 4. Chinese GP at Shanghai 5. Portugese GP at Algarve 6. Spanish GP at Catalunya 7. San Marino GP at Imola 8. Moncao GP at Monte Carlo 9. French GP at Reims based around the orignal Reims track (a bit unlikely, that one) 10. British GP at Donnington 11. German GP at Oscherschleben (the other two are abberations) 12. Austrian GP at the A1 Ring. 13. Belgian GP at Spa 14. Italian GP at Monza 15. Hungarian GP at the Hungaroring 16. Canadian GP in Montreal 17. US GP at Watkins Glen or Road America (I'm not picky!) 18. Mexican GP at Mexico City 19. Argentinian GP at San Luis. 20. Brazilian GP at Interlagos 21. Season finale at Kylami. May need chopping down a bit. |
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Depends on what you mean by "ideal"
An "ideal" calendar based on modern constraints (safety requirements, facilities etc) would have to be something like this: 1) Australia - Albert Park 2) Malaysia - Sepang 3) Brazil - Interlagos 4) Bahrain - Sakhir 5) Turkey - Istanbul 6) Monaco - Monte Carlo 7) Canada - Montreal 8) USA - Indianapolis 9) France - Magny-Cours 10) Britain - Silverstone 11) Germany - Nurburgring 12) Hungary - Hungaroring 13) Belgium - Spa-Francorchamps 14) Italy - Monza 15) Spain - Jerez 16) Portugal - Estoril/Algarve 17) Singapore - Marina Bay 18) Japan - Suzuka I'd be prepared to slap Abu Dhabi on as it looks really good. I think it's going to be an instant classic Either that or you could go for something completely unrealistic and slap in tracks like the Nordschliefe, Charade, old Spa etc. But that's never going to happen We could see something like this next year, though: 1) South Africa - Kyalami 2) China - Shanghai/Zhuhai/Chengdu 3) Portugal - Algarve 4) Britain - Brands Hatch 5) Netherlands - Zandvoort/Assen 6) Canada - Montreal 7) USA - Laguna Seca 8) France - Magny-Cours 9) Germany - Nurburgring 10) Austria - Red Bull-Ring 11) Italy - Mugello 12) New Zealand - Hampton Downs 13) Australia - Surfers Paradise 14) Indonesia - Jakarta 15) Malaysia - Sepang |
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Shanghai and Hungaroring wouldn't make my list at all, I'd have Brands over Donington any day, and Austria would have to be at the old Osterreichring, not the A1. Catalunya I could live without, I take it you mean the old Kyalami, and if we're talking complete fantasy then it simply has to be the Nordschleife for Germany! |
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Here's my moderately realistic calendar for these events.
R1 - Australian GP, Melbourne - Too much backlash if it's removed. R2 - Singapore GP, Singapore Street Circuit (Night race) - Instant classic. If you're wondering about the weather, all the data I have seen makes it look like it is practically the same all year round. I don't like their human rights record, but that's more of a political issue. R3 - Malaysian GP, Sepang - It's a mickey mouse country but the circuit makes it worth it. R4 - Japanese GP, Suzuka - Circuit of imilar epicness to Spa, and Japan is commercially important. R5 - Abu Dhabi GP, Yas Island - Should become a classic, even though it's a mickey mous country. Could alternate with Bahrain. R6 - Turkish GP, Istanbul - If they can stop dogs becoming flattened on the track it would be better, but the circuit is good. Istanbul is a large city, it just needs better turnout. R7 - Portugese GP, Algarve - I haven't seen anything from there, but that Algarve circuit looks rather good. R8 - Monaco GP, Monaco - It's Monaco, isn't it R9 - French GP, Magny Cours with appropriate modifications or a new facility near Paris - Non-negotiable classic race. R10 - British GP, Silverstone - Non-negotiable classic race, Silverstone is the preferred venue but Donington could be good. R11 - Belgian GP, Spa - Classic race, at one of the world's greatest circuits. R12 - German GP, Unsure, possibly Lausitzring - Must-have classic race, both current venues are dull but the race has to be there. R13 - Italian GP, Monza - Must-have classic race at a classic venue. R14 - Spanish GP, Valencia - I think we'll get better racing at there this year or Jerez - Could be an improvement. R15 - Canadian GP, Montreal - Stick it near the middle of the season if it's a weather problem. A start time that is a one or two hour later start so that it is prime time in Europe as well as more advantagous for the local market would be preferable. R16 - Brazilian GP, Interlagos - Ideally it would regain some of it's bumpiness, but South America needs a race. Maybe replace it with Argentina if needed. Run it slightly later in the afternoon so that it's an evening race in Europe. R17 - United States GP, Indianapolis - Might have weather issues, it's near the end of the season for TV reasons. However, it would be non-negotiable that all races from Monza onwards plus Monaco are on network television. An extra race could be either Finland (Helsinki), Russia (Moscow), Korea or similar. Absent races are Hungary, China, Korea, European GP and Bahrain. |
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I don't see how Silverstone could enter a dream calendar - its an absolutely awful circuit, I can't emphasise how bad it is for the spectator.
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My post from the original, though itsn't necessarily realistic.
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Round 1 - South Africa - WElkom - South African January racing, and looks to have a better flow than Kyalami - Week 4 Round 2 - Brazil – Interlagos - Week 7 Round 3 - Mexico - Mexico City Circuit – Week 10 Round 4 - Portugal - Portimao -Week 12 Late Winter/Early Spring break. Round 5 - Monaco - Monte Carlo circuit - Week 17 Round 6 - French GP - Charade – changed because Rouen isn't really that viable, despite it being the better circuit. Week 21 Round 7 - British GP - Brands Hatch - Good circuit, classic corners, and has mroe character than Bedford - Week 22 Round 8 - Isle of Man GP - Jurby Circuit - Week 23 Round 9 - German GP - Hockenheim (pre Tilke) - Week 25 Round 10 - Turkish GP - Istanbul Park - Week 27 Summer break Round 11 - Belgian GP - Spa Francochamps - Week 31 Round 12 - Italy – Monza - Week 33 Round 13 - Czech Republic - Brno - On second glances, more would have to be done to liece to work - Week 35 Round 14 - US GP - alternating track annually - Laguna Seca and Elkhart Lake (Road America) - Week 37 Round 15 - Canada - Circuit de Gilles Villeneuve - Week 38 Round 16 - Bahraini GP - Sakhir - Week 40 Round 17 - Malaysia - Sepang International Raceway - Week 42 Round 18 -Japan - Suzuka circuit - Week 44 Round 19 - Singapore - absolutely classic specatcle with the night racing - Week 45 Round 20 - Australia - Adelaide street circuit - Week 46 Any suggestions/ammendments? |
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18 May 2009, 21:45 (Ref:2464837) | #10 | ||
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The best view is woodcote grandstand which is about the price of a property in mayfair, every other view is blocked by a fence which is about 20 feet tall, no trees, just a dull, empty space.
Oh and theres no decent overtaking opportunity till club, which is half way around the circuit. I'm not a fan of Silverstone, you might gather! |
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Move it down to the last race of the year, late november will be perfect for a sunday afternoon in São Paulo, when the sunset would be around 7:30PM - but ideally it would be better to be in a north-eastern state city like Fortaleza with sunsets later than SP in the same time of the year.
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19 May 2009, 07:17 (Ref:2464939) | #12 | ||
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1. United States - Las Vegas
Americans need a race, the sponsors need it, the teams need it and F1 needs it. As for the track there's no permanent circuit that's a good fit. Why not Vegas? Perfect spot for the US GP. Lot’s of travelers with disposable income and plenty of potential sponsors. 2. Mexico – Mexico City Circuit I find the trend of taking European and Western Hemisphere races away and giving them to obscure middle East and Asian countries disturbing. I’m reversing the trend. Plus it’s a fine track that I always liked. 3. Brazil – Interlagos Good track. Fits better at the front of the calendar for me, though. 4. South America – Kylami Another perfectly good track and race abandoned by Mr. E. 5. Australia – Albert Park, Melbourne A beautiful venue, very fast for a street circuit. 6. San Marino – Imola Great track, needs to be back on the calendar. They can make it safe without butchering it. Figure it out, let’s go. 7. Monaco – Monte Carlo Of course. 8. Canada – Gilles Villenueve Circuit, Montreal Classic track, should be permanent on F1 calander. 9. Spain – Jerez Excellent track. Why do they not race here anymore? 10. Britain – Silverstone I’d type of course again, but apparently it’s not that obvious. Nothing against DonningtonPark, but there has to be a race at Silverstone. 11. France – Circuit de la Sarthe, Le Mans Everyone knows that Magny Cours sucks, why not race on the home the legendary 24 hour race. I don’t see why it couldn’t happen. 12. Germany – Nurburgring Old Hockenheim would be better, the REAL ‘ring would be best. New Hockenheim is the ******* demon child of Bernie Ecklestone and Herman Tilke. Having said that, Nurburgring is a very good track that gets unfairly compaired to big brother. 13. Hungary – Hungaroring It may be the slowest permanent track in F1, but it’s a good track. For some reason, it wouldn’t feel right without it. Plus overtaking is much easier in the new cars. 14. Belgium – Spa! Once again, no-brainer. 15. Italy – Monza Blindingly fast. What’s not to love? 16. Europe – Valencia, Spain Ok, the first race was weak, but it’s a great venue and a very good track. And not one, but TWO bridges! 17. Singapore – Marina Bay (night) The first race was spectacular in every way. Plus it also has two bridges. 18. Malaysia – Sepang (night) Speed TV’s Bob Varsha suggested this would be a good candidate for a night race. I agree. This is the same track as Shanghai. I feel Sepang is the clear choice due to the cool factor. 19. Japan – Fuji It’s no Suzuka, but I like it, so here it is. Suzuka gets a race, though. So I’m proud to announce the very first… 20. Asian GP – Suzuka It is Suzuka. Outstanding track, deserving venue for the season finale. |
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And out of them isn't only 1 eligable to host a GP?
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And you think Donington won't be the same?
Welcome to modern F1. The old days of unobstructed views from grass banks, gravel traps and affordable ticket prices for the average punter are long gone Silverstone is one of the most challenging, most historic and fastest tracks in the world. It should be on the calendar. Donington won't be the same circuit when they're done with it |
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At Silverstone, there's no out and out decent ovetaking opportunity till Club. As for history? Does Donnington hosting the first British GP in 1938 count for something? |
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Donington doesn't have more history. It hosted a few races in the 1930s but then lay dormant for 40 years. It has a longer history but has hosted a grand total of 1 F1 GP
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Forgeting about fences, can the circuit cope with F1 etc as this thread is "a dream 2010 calendar, Brands Hatch would be my choice and on top of all the other circuits listed before, a return to Zandvoort would be on my list.
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