[BTCC] BTCC 2021

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

With added Yazoo logos.....

Chocolate and strawberry milkshake liveries?

[Pickles]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Chocolate and strawberry milkshake liveries?

I heard they're going to be brown (Goff), pink (Geddie), yellow (Hamilton) and white (Taylor-Smith).

Or perhaps not.

[Matt K]

Well, they're... black. And white. On a first glance look like last year's Dynamics car. Have to say I'm not a fan of the livery but more important will be how fast Cupras are.
Quite honestly I expect some kind of a step forward (maybe even a significant one) and I think it's not unrealistic to see Goff and ATS fighting for Top 10 relatively consistently.

[Craner Curves]

As it stands, 13 black cars out of a field of 29. Poor Tim Harvey 😂

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Well, they're... black. And white. On a first glance look like last year's Dynamics car. Have to say I'm not a fan of the livery but more important will be how fast Cupras are

Seems to be random bits of camo left in different places... bit strange. Not too bad, but needs some more colour I think..

Saw Motorbase hint their's will be mainly black too, so could be a very colourless grid

[antnee]

It's going to make it very difficult to watch with so many similar liveries!

But, they are the best liveries HARD has ever put out I think!

[Matt K]

Black is the new...black this year. For whatever reason seems to be fashionable this year and I agree, black cars tend to look great but there are way too many of them! and trying to recall most iconic BTCC liveries there aren't any black ones I think...

After all it's not the most important, is it but the grid's going to be pretty dull-looking and it'll be a mayhem for poor Tim Harvey.

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Black is the new...black this year. For whatever reason seems to be fashionable this year and I agree, black cars tend to look great but there are way too many of them! and trying to recall most iconic BTCC liveries there aren't any black ones I think...

After all it's not the most important, is it but the grid's going to be pretty dull-looking and it'll be a mayhem for poor Tim Harvey.

TheTexaco Sierra was / ispretty iconic I reckon Plus Dave Brodies Escorts

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

TheTexaco Sierra was / ispretty iconic I reckon Plus Dave Brodies Escorts

True that! But there are not so many of them. And also a black Texaco car is heavily connected to Texaco branding, which is all about black colours and the brand itself seems 'iconic.' On this year's grid there aren't really black cars whose liveries stem from a renowned sponsor's branding and this makes them 'just another black car.' I wouldn't mind for example a Monster Energy black car, resembling Cam Waters' Supercars machine!

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Matt K

True that! But there are not so many of them. And also a black Texaco car is heavily connected to Texaco branding, which is all about black colours and the brand itself seems 'iconic.' On this year's grid there aren't really black cars whose liveries stem from a renowned sponsor's branding and this makes them 'just another black car.' I wouldn't mind for example a Monster Energy black car, resembling Cam Waters' Supercars machine!

How long does a sponsor have to use a colour scheme before they are 'renowned'?

As far as I can tell, we have only seen 3 livery reveals that are predominantly black, and one that is 1/3 black?

Of those - they are all derived from the primary sponsor's colours:

AutoBrite - White/Red on Black
RoKIT - White on Black
So to be expected for HARD. to use black as the base for their cars.

Car Gods 54 - Black base, with different colours dependant on product.
So to be expected for Ciceley to use black as the base.

BMW Motorsport - Black base on their global programme.
So to be expected for WSR to use black as the base.

Toyota Gazoo - Red/White/Black.
So to be expected for Speedworks to use a Red/White/Black livery.

Do we expect teams to reject sponsor's requirements because they are the wrong colour? Why is Texaco's black a good livery, but 2021 sponsor's black a less desirable livery?

[Sodemo]

I'd wished that Honda had used more of a red colour in their livery. I think their 2015 car came the closest for this.

[Evantra]

If Motorbase is black, Dynamics is black again, and BTC is dark grey...

[billy bleach]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

How long does a sponsor have to use a colour scheme before they are 'renowned'?

As far as I can tell, we have only seen 3 livery reveals that are predominantly black, and one that is 1/3

RoKIT - White on Black


Do we expect teams to reject sponsor's requirements because they are the wrong colour? Why is Texaco's black a good livery, but 2021 sponsor's black a less desirable livery?

Is RoKIT car white on black or black on white? The ultimate 10/10ths discussion!

Berni Ecclestone used to insist on Blue on White on the Brabhams regardless of corporate identity!
The Texaco livery - like JPS - is "iconic" - it just is

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Is RoKIT car white on black or black on white?

If this is a white car:


then this is also a white car:


and we can start complaining that there are too many white cars on the grid (PMR/MB/Speedworks/Laser Tools/Ginsters)

Originally Posted by billy bleach

The Texaco livery - like JPS - is "iconic" - it just is

That's got to be the most convincing and well developed argument I've read in a while!!

[S griffin]

I don't see much wrong with the liveries on the Cupras. They did a good job IMHO. Hopefully they will get enough backing to keep developing it well enough. We'll see how good it is, especially compared to others, like the PMR Vauxhalls and the Speedworks Toyotas who are already ahead with their cars so far due to at least two years development

Anyway let's enjoying seeing the cars in their colours and look forward to a competitive season, with hopefully some surprises in store

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by billy bleach

Is RoKIT car white on black or black on white? The ultimate 10/10ths discussion!

Depends if you are looking at the front or the back.

https://twitter.com/BTCC/status/1372...250434/photo/3

From the rear, white is the more dominant colour.

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by Craner Curves

As it stands, 13 black cars out of a field of 29. Poor Tim Harvey 😂

We'll have to get some proper commentators from snooker then... they can cope with lots of red balls, so should manage a handful of black cars!

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I don't see much wrong with the liveries on the Cupras. They did a good job IMHO. Hopefully they will get enough backing to keep developing it well enough. We'll see how good it is, especially compared to others, like the PMR Vauxhalls and the Speedworks Toyotas who are already ahead with their cars so far due to at least two years development

Anyway let's enjoying seeing the cars in their colours and look forward to a competitive season, with hopefully some surprises in store

I think the Cupras look pretty smart. Plus a blind git like me should be able to tell the difference between Nic and Goffy at full chat, they're different enough.

[Craner Curves]

Jack Butel unveiling tomorrow night at 7.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

How long does a sponsor have to use a colour scheme before they are 'renowned'?

As far as I can tell, we have only seen 3 livery reveals that are predominantly black, and one that is 1/3 black?

Of those - they are all derived from the primary sponsor's colours:

AutoBrite - White/Red on Black
RoKIT - White on Black
So to be expected for HARD. to use black as the base for their cars.

Car Gods 54 - Black base, with different colours dependant on product.
So to be expected for Ciceley to use black as the base.

BMW Motorsport - Black base on their global programme.
So to be expected for WSR to use black as the base.

Toyota Gazoo - Red/White/Black.
So to be expected for Speedworks to use a Red/White/Black livery.

Do we expect teams to reject sponsor's requirements because they are the wrong colour? Why is Texaco's black a good livery, but 2021 sponsor's black a less desirable livery?

I'm not saying about teams rejecting requirements or just having colours long bla bla bla. You don't have to over-analyse everything and seek scientific arguments and reasons for everything.

It's just the fact, Texaco or JPS black livery is iconic whereas Car Gods or AutoBrite are not and will not be and this is the end of the topic for me.
Why throwing this pointless argument of teams rejecting sponsors requirements? No one suggested this and no one thinks about it.

It's just a bit surprising that there are so many black (or partly black, whatever really) liveries this year. This is going to be a bit bland, that's it. My argument about Monster Energy and all these comments about Texaco or JPS stem from the fact that these brands are so recognisable that black cars with their logos would look great always. Black cars with some less known or unknown logos just don't make such an impression and are not that recognisable. The end of the topic.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by Matt K

It's just a bit surprising that there are so many black (or partly black, whatever really) liveries this year. This is going to be a bit bland, that's it.

The comments about the grid being 'bland' seem to crop up every year - and usually are closely followed by someone referring to a historical (outdated) scheme as being a much better example of a livery.

To me there is nothing about the Texaco or JPS liveries that makes them any better (or worse) than an AutoBrite or Car Gods livery in nearly identical colours.

2020:

Another white based livery. Looks ok, just really bland colours! [...]
I agree, it does look a bit bland

2018:

There was a bit too much white last year -

Complaints about the lack of variety or colour in liveries is about as clockwork as a Volvo/Kia rumour.

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

The comments about the grid being 'bland' seem to crop up every year - and usually are closely followed by someone referring to a historical (outdated) scheme as being a much better example of a livery.

To me there is nothing about the Texaco or JPS liveries that makes them any better (or worse) than an AutoBrite or Car Gods livery in nearly identical colours.

2020:


2018:


Complaints about the lack of variety or colour in liveries is about as clockwork as a Volvo/Kia rumour.

Maybe but I'm speaking for myself here and don't think (although maybe I've got a memory like a sieve!) I complained about liveries in the past (I mean not about single liveries but them as a whole of the grid).

When it comes to Texaco or JPS being worse or better. Well, this is your opinion, as far as I'm concerned, there is a huge difference especially as the aforementioned ones really go together with the brands. Is black/white livery part of AutoBrite's identity? Or part of HUB's? I think neither of these. This is just a scheme created by Team HARD and I'm simply not a fan of it.

Well, so you say Kia or Volvo are joining? 😂😂

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Maybe but I'm speaking for myself here and don't think (although maybe I've got a memory like a sieve!) I complained about liveries in the past (I mean not about single liveries but them as a whole of the grid).

When it comes to Texaco or JPS being worse or better. Well, this is your opinion, as far as I'm concerned, there is a huge difference especially as the aforementioned ones really go together with the brands. Is black/white livery part of AutoBrite's identity? Or part of HUB's? I think neither of these. This is just a scheme created by Team HARD and I'm simply not a fan of it.

Well, so you say Kia or Volvo are joining? 😂😂

Not wishing to fan any flames here (I am honestly not) but surely the JPS livery can be referred to as iconic because that was from 40/50 or so years ago, and we still remember it (although I personally preferred the more colourful red, white & gold Gold Leaf coloured Lotus). Maybe in a similar amount of time these new companies & their colour schemes could be regarded in the same way?

[Matt K]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Not wishing to fan any flames here (I am honestly not) but surely the JPS livery can be referred to as iconic because that was from 40/50 or so years ago, and we still remember it (although I personally preferred the more colourful red, white & gold Gold Leaf coloured Lotus). Maybe in a similar amount of time these new companies & their colour schemes could be regarded in the same way?

This is true, however, I don't think AutoBrite livery will ever get 'iconic.'
There are some modern-day liveries that I can imagine may become 'iconic' in the future - like Tom Coronel's DHL one in WTCC/R, Monster Energy in Supercars or maybe even Laser Tools Racing.

[S griffin]

I think some colours will always be iconic and the black and gold of the JPS really suited the cars at the time, so it worked well. Lotus usually came up with great liveries anyway. We'll see how well remembered these current liveries, but at the moment they look alright to me