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Old 15 Mar 2021, 18:34 (Ref:4040628)   #496
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I’m not even bothered about the tech tbh. Or even the racing! My perspective is primarily that of a spectator taking photos. I regularly have no idea who wins the races I attend until I get home and read about it. It’s all about the sensorial experience - what the cars look and sound like.

That’s very much not a typical motor racing fan view - yours is much more so. ELMS does offer close racing, even if it is artificial .
Yeah, I do get that, as an amateur racing photographer myself.

The thing is, artificial or not, great close racing is still great close racing. Just look at some of the battles we've had in GTEPro in the last few years. For all the whining about the impurity of BOP, it's actually give us a race to watch instead of a Mercedes-style procession...
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Old 15 Mar 2021, 19:02 (Ref:4040635)   #497
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The thing is sportscar racing has always given us great variety. And while I’m not always a fan of BoP, it does seem to work in ELMS, so we do get great battles in all classes and it balances out, so the cream rises to the top come the end. ELMS is not my favourite series, certainly it’s not as good as WEC or IMSA, but it has enough going for it to make it worth watching
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Old 15 Mar 2021, 20:45 (Ref:4040663)   #498
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I'm somewhere in between on this. Of course I want good racing but I also have no time for spec series. LMP2 is almost at that point in reality of course because of the ACO's deeply flawed 4 constructors/frozen homologation approach.

On the face of it, it is quite a pure formula because there is a technical rule book and no BoP. But without the ability to develop, of course everyone gravitates to the best chassis. United Autosports even sacrificed their UK distribution deal with Ligier in order to have a shot at winning. You would have to say that worked out for them.

When I took my brother-in-law to LM for the first time about 7 years ago one of his first observations was how different all the cars sounded. He is not a racing fan but he was pleasantly surprised.

Even GTE is getting very samey, despite BoP. And if it wasn't for BoP everyone in Am would be running a Ferrari. The sooner it is replaced by GT3 the better.

As for LMP2 and LMP3, they are 'successful' in the sense that the grids are full. But they have failed to protect the anointed constructors, except Oreca in P2 and Ligier in P3. The idea of being able to build cars in large numbers because of limited competition might have seemed like a good idea at the time but it hasn't worked out that way. I hope they can think of a way of improving it. Which probably means BoP...
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Old 15 Mar 2021, 20:59 (Ref:4040667)   #499
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ELMS has kind of stagnated recently. It does seem there isn’t the interest there once was. It seems it can’t compete with the WEC. As a result it doesn’t seem that important for the teams that have competed in the past. BoP is now a necessity in the series

Shame really, but it hasn’t really progressed the last few years. Now teams like UA see more sense in competing in the WEC and a lot of teams left in ELMS are there because they have nowhere else to go. WEC has it’s faults, but it’s still got plenty of different teams and constructors/manufacturers competing and that’s how sportscar racing should be

With the new Le Mans rules coming in, you wonder how long ELMS can go on for. Unless there is a big demand for a return to LMPs at Le Mans, how can this series stay sustainable and relevant? GTs are the only classes likely to stay relevant and let’s face it, we have enough GT series as it is, so it would hardly be an improvement if was just that class competing. So that would be the end of that idea


It’s still a good series in it’s own right, but it’s starting to lose it’s relevance
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LMDH top class is an intriguing possibility for ELMS. Maybe 2024 onwards?

Especially if you get some ELMS teams stepping up or adding a LMDH to their programmes. A bit like you get P2 teams running P3 cars now.
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Don't post here much as I have very little ELMS interest, but the #77 Proton Porsche is in the Weathertech livery!
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No buzz for the ELMS opener I see...

I was quite interested to see Colapinto's first stint. Think we saw why he's so highly rated but also maybe a bit of youthful over-exuberance. I'm excited to see how he develops.
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I watched the race. I enjoyed it but the leaders in each class got too far ahead. Felt for Laurents Horr in LMP3 seeing his huge lead frittered away by a very slow (and at times really nervous in traffic) co-driver. My lad was rear gunner on the #24 Algarve Pro but they had a pretty lacklustre race, struggling with rear grip. The G Drive (APR) wheel cock-up was almost too hilarious to watch.... Great commentary as usual by Jonny and Graham.
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Its a great series with a big grid of cars. For some reason i just cant get into it anymore, it doesn't hold my interest. Same with WEC. Probably doesn't help that there was so much other racing on this weekend.

One thing i do enjoy though is that on weekends where ELMS clashes with F1 they start the race at 10am, its handy, ill give them that. I noticed that the streams on Youtube had big numbers too, even with more than one free stream available, thats a great positive too.
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Its a great series with a big grid of cars. For some reason i just cant get into it anymore, it doesn't hold my interest. Same with WEC. Probably doesn't help that there was so much other racing on this weekend.

One thing i do enjoy though is that on weekends where ELMS clashes with F1 they start the race at 10am, its handy, ill give them that. I noticed that the streams on Youtube had big numbers too, even with more than one free stream available, thats a great positive too.
Similar to you - I'm struggling with it at the moment. But massive credit to ELMS for moving start times to avoid F1. That's just plain smart.
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Perhaps I'm one of the increasingly rare breed that enjoys LMP2 and LMP3 racing...... ? And it's not just because my lad is involved in a team, I'd have watched it anyway.
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Just finished watching it this morning. I enjoy these races, there's always something going on. I felt for Jamin and his crew. What a long day that must have been.

Also interesting to see quick, young drivers and experienced older drivers positioning themselves for what's to come in LMH/LMDh.
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Switch to low downforce BODYWORK for LMP2 scrapped for ELMS but retained for WEC.

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