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Old 5 Mar 2021, 19:51 (Ref:4039067)   #1
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Porsche & Volkswagen Group considering entering F1

Porsche and parent company the Volkswagen Group are considering entering Formula 1.

'VAG is said to have had initial exploratory talks with three teams - Red Bull, McLaren and Williams.'
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Old 5 Mar 2021, 21:46 (Ref:4039083)   #2
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Can we just get a list of everyone who F1 has engaged with regarding the potential for joining F1 in 2025? I expect two things. First, while small, it would include a number of manufacturers who are not providing power units. Second, not all of them will pull the trigger on jumping into F1. I guess my point is.. Isn't someone at the major manufacturers always looking at F1? Is this even really newsworthy at this point?

I own a Porsche 914 that I have been slowly restoring. Each year, for at least a decade, if not longer, fans of the car post articles that say Porsche is thinking of bringing forward a new 914. Its like clockwork. Sometimes twice a year.

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Old 5 Mar 2021, 23:10 (Ref:4039097)   #3
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They've been considering it my whole life.
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Old 6 Mar 2021, 07:04 (Ref:4039138)   #4
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You would say Red Bull would be favourite, they have heavily sponsored a wide range of VAG motorsport for years and of course they will have the in house capability to design and develop the new engine in partnership with VAG engineers.

The brand people at Porsche might see McLaren as too much of a direct competitor on the road cars and confusing message if it was a McLaren-Porsche, but OK if Audi brand gets the nod.

All a long way off and a lot can happen in that time, as we have seen in 2020, sadly.
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i feel like this is the typical annual story that floats around the start of every new F1 season.

in a week or two i suspect someone else from VAG will sound off on how F1 makes no sense.

who knows though, maybe it will be different this time. im a bit hopeful that with Alfa, AMR and Alpine in the mix, the branding needs for niche brands are taking the stage over the major manus/we are in the process of a new paradigm in F1...the end of the manu era.
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There have been numerous stories about VAG entering F1 over the last 20 years - and there is always one thing in common with all the rumours: It never actually happens.

This years rumour is related to someone from Porshe being interested in the Engine Regulation discussions. So, there actually may be something behind it. Or it could be the usual nonsense.

I'm glad we have a thread for it, so that it can be resurrected each time a new unsubstantiated rumour about VAG emerges!
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Old 8 Mar 2021, 07:45 (Ref:4039565)   #7
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There have been numerous stories about VAG entering F1 over the last 20 years - and there is always one thing in common with all the rumours: It never actually happens.

This years rumour is related to someone from Porshe being interested in the Engine Regulation discussions. So, there actually may be something behind it. Or it could be the usual nonsense.

I'm glad we have a thread for it, so that it can be resurrected each time a new unsubstantiated rumour about VAG emerges!
I think some of the story comes from rumours that VAG may sell a stake in, or all of Porsche, to fund future EV model development.
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I think some of the story comes from rumours that VAG may sell a stake in, or all of Porsche, to fund future EV model development.
Not impossible but don’t forget it was Porsche who bought VW and not the other way around.

And also don’t forget that a major part of the reason was to balance emissions across a much wider pool.
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Old 8 Mar 2021, 08:23 (Ref:4039569)   #9
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Consider also that there are persistent rumours that Bugatti might be sold to Rimac.On the other hand Volkswagen have withdrawn from piston engined motorsport since they see the future being electric.Might a possibility be that they would develop an engine if a partner commissioned and funded it?
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Old 8 Mar 2021, 09:55 (Ref:4039584)   #10
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Not impossible but don’t forget it was Porsche who bought VW and not the other way around.

And also don’t forget that a major part of the reason was to balance emissions across a much wider pool.
Porsche tried to buy VAG but failed and racked up 10m euro's in debt trying and ended up being bought by VAG.
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Old 8 Mar 2021, 10:17 (Ref:4039592)   #11
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I don't think we'll see Porsche back in F1, they probably will always be more concerned with sportscars. That's how I see it
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Old 8 Mar 2021, 10:31 (Ref:4039597)   #12
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Misunderstanding of the VAG/Porsche ownership comes up occasionally here. If I remember correctly Porsche AG got caught in a short squeeze when then Porsche AG CEO drove Porsche AG to try to buy VAG. The attempt sort of worked, left Porsche AG with 15 B debt load that was not anticipated. To settle the debt and prevent bankruptcy of Porsche, VAG bought Porsche AG and covered the debt. (I may have some details wrong, but basically that was it)

What is less commonly talked about is Porsche SE which is a holding controlled by the Porsche and Piech family. Porsche SE holds a controlling interest in VAG. So Porsche/Piech family own VAG who owns Porsche Automobile.

Who knows what is in the minds of the Porsche/Piech family, but I have a hard time imagining them selling off the original family brand. If anything, maybe they take Porsche private again by pulling it out of VAG. Do this by pulling in a partner, provide funds to VAG, but still maintain a controlling interest in both.

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I wouldn’t rule out VAG competing in F1, I’ve always thought it would be good if Audi came in and even if it hasn’t happened, I think there’s a fair chance of it happening. As for Porsche, I see them as sort of a black sheep of the VAG family. They probably benefit a lot from VAG funding, but they pretty much go their own way despite that, as they always have done

But yeah, we’ll wait and see what happens. Porsche will probably only do it if it suits them and I can’t see it happening. They will only do it if it doesn’t impact largely on their sportscar budget. That’s probably why they haven’t done it yet. So there you go. That’s my view
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I believe the largest shareholding in VAG was in the control of the Bank of Lower Saxony.Would they countenance shovelling such large amounts of cash in the direction of motorsport?Or would they direct it to designing and engineering cars that keep the production lines moving and their account holders in gainful employment?We shall see.
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Porsche tried to buy VAG but failed and racked up 10m euro's in debt trying and ended up being bought by VAG.
A common misunderstanding.

Porsche AG is certainly owned by VAG.

But then a controlling stake in VAG is owned by Porsche Automobil Holding SE which is majority owned by the Porsche family.

So Porsche owns VAG and not the other way around.
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