FIA Papers.Why Replace What We Already Have???

[Jeremy Hall]

Come on Terry, its not rocket science. You go to www.fia.com, across the header bar you click on Sport, that gives your four options, you choose Regulations, that gives you a page with a panel on the right hand side, select Historic Racing Championships and hey presto.
Maybe you've exhausted your pigeon.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by terence bower

That would involve changing the rear axle and the front hubs,a wire wheel axle is wider than bolt on.

Knock on Minilites? I've got them on my MGB.

[terence]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Hall

Come on Terry, its not rocket science. You go to www.fia.com, across the header bar you click on Sport, that gives your four options, you choose Regulations, that gives you a page with a panel on the right hand side, select Historic Racing Championships and hey presto.
Maybe you've exhausted your pigeon.

Been there --it did,nt work!!

[terence]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Knock on Minilites? I've got them on my MGB.

FIA ?.The mass of the hub assemby negates the rim weight saving.Ihave tried the different combo,s, thats why I stayed with the wires Peter.

[Peter Mallett]

Fair enough.

[terence]

Jeremy,I just tried yet againto get into the FIA Regs, all I got was ,encountered problem ,need to close.Any other Ideas?

[terence]

First of all, many thanks for the E-mail Jeremy,I needed something to read!Esper,Im sorry, you are absolutly correct with you engine sizing,I cant think why I got it so wrong, but anyway after checking out the figures,1.2mm gives a capacity of1853.6,1mm gives 1843. Sorry for any confusion,in my defence Iwill say I,ve been strugling with flu all week,but Im off of the medication now!

[esper]

Originally Posted by terence bower

First of all, many thanks for the E-mail Jeremy,I needed something to read!Esper,Im sorry, you are absolutly correct with you engine sizing,I cant think why I got it so wrong, but anyway after checking out the figures,1.2mm gives a capacity of1853.6,1mm gives 1843. Sorry for any confusion,in my defence Iwill say I,ve been strugling with flu all week,but Im off of the medication now!

Terence , you gave me some moments...................... 1920 my engine........................
and to the shelby daytona.............if I buy a 289 AC . and then make my Dayrona.................tahts the way they did it in 63/64 so wheres the problem??????

[esper]

But Terence then remember your 144 hp (don't know if you mean real imperial hp 144) But I never got to that!!!! But horsepower is no isue, we talk laptimes!!!!!

[terence]

Esper ,I mentioned the engine sizing for Simon,he did ask why the car at Spa is so quick,basicly it was not legal for many reasons,not just the big engine. The susspension, is also pretty trick on the rear end, and a B thats set up will i belive out handle a Cortina.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by terence bower

The susspension, is also pretty trick on the rear end, and a B thats set up will i belive out handle a Cortina.

No doubt. Not least because it is lower and the heavy bits, like the battery etc are in the right places.

[terence]

Absolutely,at least the battery SHOULD be in the right place.!Not stuck up where the heater used to live,because if it lived where it should,------

[simon drabble]

presumably the quick MGB passed scrutineering at Spa so apart from the
engine the obvious things must be within the letter of the law?

[Peter Mallett]

Like that Fairlane? I think Jeremy has explained that the deal is effectivley based upon trust and only if there's a technicality or query/protest would a car be scrutineered with the FTC. (Fine Toothed comb).

[bwatt]

Originally Posted by terence bower

a wire wheel axle is wider than bolt on.

Narrower, surely ?.

[esper]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Esper ,I mentioned the engine sizing for Simon,he did ask why the car at Spa is so quick,basicly it was not legal for many reasons,not just the big engine. The susspension, is also pretty trick on the rear end, and a B thats set up will i belive out handle a Cortina.

the battery was not removed for balancing the weight on the wheels .then the origional place or bppt would be a better place...............A frame or??????????

[esper]

till 67, that was on the "C",same as the front brake cooling ducts in the front vallence,Jeremy once ticked my papers for that,I then changed back to a steel panel,judging the cars at spa, I wasted time and money!![/QUOTE] I had that feeling years ago........................look at all the pics of my B to 1998 standard steel front valance!!!!!!

[esper]

MGB bolt on rear axcle is wider than knock on. so modifie a bolt on with knock on hubs and you gain an inch or so. but can easily detected by wide wheelarches you will have to make then.

And the discussion about wire wheels . If you have real minilites magnesium they are lighter if you talk about knock on minilites, all the rest is heavier. but the choice is bolt on minilites. On an mgb I would stick to wires!!!!!! (from a historical point of view (DRX255 view)
An on my grantura? It raced 20 years in the States with gold minilite lookalikes (American racing wheels in magnesium), so thats why it still has those kind of wheels but now it has Compomotive .

[terence]

Originally Posted by bwatt

Narrower, surely ?.

Sorryfor that,your right.

[terence]

I think that in an ideal world, scrutineering bays would havea 4 post lift, then perhaps some of these cars would be put back onto their trailers.If you fit the bolt on hubs Esper, you then land up with a rear track thats illegal,its a nice idea though,[I hope Jeremy not present].When did you get the Front valence treatment,about 5yrs ago?.As for the rear suspension, word has it that its height adjustable,that is ,single handed opporation!!!! As for the wheel situation Im not sure if minilights were actually homologated for"Bs",I know they were on TVRs, and of course they look right to.

[terence]

Esper, is your TVR a works car?? Yes, "Bs" do look better on wires, I spent a small fortune on obtaining the correct dark brown primer for mine.Theres a picture on my site.

[esper]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Esper, is your TVR a works car?? Yes, "Bs" do look better on wires, I spent a small fortune on obtaining the correct dark brown primer for mine.Theres a picture on my site.

No sadly enough no!! its a normal car which was rebuild by Bill Spohn of Vancouver Canada in the early 80ties of last century. It still has the origional frame. Bill did a lot of work to - free the frame- so the body can be lifted up. I once thought -why not make a chromo TIG welded frame amd some real dutch trick shocks- , but where are we going then!!!! lots of money for just less than a second.
We always discuss technical matters but never the connection between steering wheel and pedals.
Most historical racers barely touch 12 hours behind the wheel a year.
Look at a talented guy like Martin Stretton, apart from being talented count the hours he is driving yearly...............................(Lets make an item on the connection between steering wheel and pedals!!!!!!!!)

[terence]

A new thread on driving tecniques maybe?

[esper]

Originally Posted by terence bower

A new thread on driving tecniques maybe?

or how do they do it, the Stretons , Hales Whizzos etc etc
one other thing can't open the pics you mentioned (the mclarenised mgb rear suspension ) and your website has a frontpage and?

[John Turner]

I'm happy to open a new thread on the driving techniques of Stretton, Hales, Whizzo, Hadfield, Schryver, Hardman and others, including one of my favourites, the recently retired pedaller, 'young' Wille Green, if you can actually discuss it, what makes them special behind the wheel and illustrate it with pics to show these techniques!