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Old 16 May 2018, 09:42 (Ref:3822792)   #51
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As a new manufacturer I wouldn't go anywhere near a team that says they are "very proud" of 2 wins in 6 seasons as a factory team with 4 cars.
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Old 16 May 2018, 09:44 (Ref:3822794)   #52
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It's a huge shame to see Nissan go but I was almost sure that it was going to happen. For me, one of the mistakes that the team made was that their driver lineup was most of the time wrong and underachieving. Instead of De Silvestro and Todd Kelly, they should've engaged more exciting talents for 2017, when they started their first year of the extension of the contract. Maybe that would've helped in better results and maybe the decision would be different now.

But still, it seems that Nissan was never in the same place as Ford and Holden, not only results-wise. They've always been some addition but never got any spotlight and this left an impact on the decision, I feel.
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Old 16 May 2018, 10:29 (Ref:3822817)   #53
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SdS came with cash.
I know but it doesn't change the outcome, does it.
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Old 16 May 2018, 10:56 (Ref:3822822)   #54
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As a new manufacturer I wouldn't go anywhere near a team that says they are "very proud" of 2 wins in 6 seasons as a factory team with 4 cars.
Especially given the jungle juice...
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Old 16 May 2018, 11:02 (Ref:3822825)   #55
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I know but it doesn't change the outcome, does it.
Your statement was, "Instead of De Silvestro and Todd Kelly, they should've engaged more exciting talents for 2017"

Maybe they should have, but if noone else was knocking on the door with dollars, then it's just wishful thinking rather than reality. Race teams (excl. Ferrari F1) don't fund themselves.
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Old 16 May 2018, 11:50 (Ref:3822837)   #56
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Especially given the jungle juice...
In hindsight, perhaps they should have been given a little more 'jungle juice'.

While we're now down to 2 makes (only just) competing again.
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Old 16 May 2018, 12:20 (Ref:3822840)   #57
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As a new manufacturer I wouldn't go anywhere near a team that says they are "very proud" of 2 wins in 6 seasons as a factory team with 4 cars.
Ouch.

They really don't have any excuses though.
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Old 19 May 2018, 09:14 (Ref:3823353)   #58
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As a new manufacturer I wouldn't go anywhere near a team that says they are "very proud" of 2 wins in 6 seasons as a factory team with 4 cars.
A designation of "factory team" hardly guarantees that each entry is funded at the same level of a 888 one.

Heck I wouldn't be surprised if the budget to run four Nissan Altimas was less than that for running (at the time) two Red Bull Commodores. The Kelly Racing team has always had the air of being overextended and (relatively) under-resourced IMO.

By all means they are leagues better equipped than a team like Preston Hire Racing, but are they resourced to the same level as a team like 888?
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Old 19 May 2018, 15:32 (Ref:3823390)   #59
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Old 19 May 2018, 16:59 (Ref:3823406)   #60
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A designation of "factory team" hardly guarantees that each entry is funded at the same level of a 888 one.

Heck I wouldn't be surprised if the budget to run four Nissan Altimas was less than that for running (at the time) two Red Bull Commodores. The Kelly Racing team has always had the air of being overextended and (relatively) under-resourced IMO.

By all means they are leagues better equipped than a team like Preston Hire Racing, but are they resourced to the same level as a team like 888?
The other thing is that the only team to match 888 in regard of resources etc is Penske I think. And yes, I assume Nissan was never close to 888 budget-wise.
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Old 19 May 2018, 22:02 (Ref:3823448)   #61
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The other thing is that the only team to match 888 in regard of resources etc is Penske I think. And yes, I assume Nissan was never close to 888 budget-wise.
Stone Brothers and Garry Rogers have both shown what can be done on smaller budgets.

From the outside Nissan lacked profile, everything seemed bland and low key. They needed a first class name driver. Back in 2013 they should have gone after a James Courtney type to sell and promote the team to sponsors. Even better thrown a cheque book at Lowndes.

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Old 20 May 2018, 00:32 (Ref:3823475)   #62
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Courtney was very close at one stage, no?
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Old 12 Jun 2018, 14:07 (Ref:3828653)   #63
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Interesting article in this weeks Auto Action about Datsun’s involvement in Australian Motorsport from the 1960’s.

I always thought that the Datsun 1000 and 1600’s were raced by privateers.

The company didn’t mind spending big dollars to compete in rallying and circuit racing, to promote the Datsun brand.

Even going as far bring out a team from Japan along with the Datsun R380A to compete at Surfers Paradise 6 hour race.

Go the mighty Datsun!
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Its wonder Infinity don't jump in with the Kelly's. They could use the Nissan V8 which has now had five years of development. Get Nismo to whip up a turbo 3L for 2020 and beyond. Infinity need the exposure and the Q60 would be direct Mustang competitor if people knew it existed.
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Old 9 Sep 2018, 12:12 (Ref:3849024)   #65
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No sign of Simona, when RPM visited Nissan Motorsport on today’s episode.
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Old 9 Sep 2018, 12:18 (Ref:3849027)   #66
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As per other thread, allegedly went back home for family reasons.
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Old 19 Sep 2018, 07:48 (Ref:3851391)   #67
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Its wonder Infinity don't jump in with the Kelly's. They could use the Nissan V8 which has now had five years of development. Get Nismo to whip up a turbo 3L for 2020 and beyond. Infinity need the exposure and the Q60 would be direct Mustang competitor if people knew it existed.
Great point! The Q60 is a great looking car too.
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Its wonder Infinity don't jump in with the Kelly's. They could use the Nissan V8 which has now had five years of development. Get Nismo to whip up a turbo 3L for 2020 and beyond. Infinity need the exposure and the Q60 would be direct Mustang competitor if people knew it existed.
I dunno how you fund a $4m/year racing team when you sell 100 cars a month...

I guess it could still be more than Altimas, to be honest.
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I dunno how you fund a $4m/year racing team when you sell 100 cars a month...

I guess it could still be more than Altimas, to be honest.
Nissan do not sell any four door cars in Australia at all. Not even a hatch back. The closest they will get is when they release the Leaf. Which isn't exactly core V8 Supercar market.

Their range, much like Mitsubishi's, is basically those horrible jacked up fake four wheel drive things but with the addition of some fairly old sports cars. Which is to say much like Ford's will be, save for the Fiesta and Focus, and much like Holden - if they survive.
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I dunno how you fund a $4m/year racing team when you sell 100 cars a month...

I guess it could still be more than Altimas, to be honest.
Infiniti have some hot finance deals on at the moment with guaranteed buyback, so there is some confidence in firstly resale values, and secondly, finding a new owner at the end of lease...
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Apparently so.

His performances in the enduro cup last year lead to this year's gig.
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I dunno how you fund a $4m/year racing team when you sell 100 cars a month...

I guess it could still be more than Altimas, to be honest.
Infinity could go racing for less than what Nissan did. Nissan have done the hard yards with engine development which probably cost a bomb. Infinity could do exactly what Ford are doing - pay for cad work to create the panels to drop over the existing Kelly cars, supply company vehicles and bit spending money to top up the sponsors. They could even drop back to two cars to save a bit more.
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The only difference is the name. The money comes from the same offices, will still need approval from Japan. That money will need to be invested into homologating a new shape, and developing the aero.

The outcome will be pretty much the same.
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Was budget the reason Nissan pulled the pin anyway?
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