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Old 28 Apr 2014, 00:04 (Ref:3398993)   #1
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2014 Formula 3 Series...

The German ATS F3 series started over the weekend - only 10 cars entered at Oschersleben. Markus Pommer (2 wins) & Nabil Jeffri (1 win) where the victors...

German F3 Points...

Markus Pommer - 58
Nabil Jeffri - 42
Indy Dontje - 41
Sam Macleod - 33
Nicolai Sylvest - 20
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 00:07 (Ref:3398996)   #2
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The Australian F3 series has run 3 of 8 rounds with the top 3 drivers all scoring multiple wins - it has about as many entrants as the German series...

Australian F3 Points...

Ben Gersekowski - 106
Simon Hodge - 105
Chris Anthony- 91
Arrie Maree -43
John Magro - 40
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 06:52 (Ref:3399070)   #3
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1 round down, Suzuka race winners where Mitsunori Takaboshi & Kenta Yamashita...

All Japan F3 Points...

Mitsunori Takaboshi - 19
Kenta Yamashita - 16
Takamoto Katsuta - 13
Nobuharu Matsushita - 6
Tsubasa Takahashi - 3
Shota Kiyohara - 2
Daiki Sasaki - 1
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 08:27 (Ref:3399105)   #4
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The German ATS F3 series started over the weekend - only 10 cars entered at Oschersleben. Markus Pommer (2 wins) & Nabil Jeffri (1 win) where the victors...

German F3 Points...

Markus Pommer - 58
Nabil Jeffri - 42
Indy Dontje - 41
Sam Macleod - 33
Nicolai Sylvest - 20
Very poor grid. What's the problem with German F3?
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 10:10 (Ref:3399132)   #5
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Very poor grid. What's the problem with German F3?
Erm...Gerhard Berger?
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 15:32 (Ref:3399237)   #6
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Gerhard Berger has decided to screw up all independently regulated national grassroots series in pursuit of a globalised motorsporting world controlled by the FIA. Sounds god-awful.
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 16:42 (Ref:3399262)   #7
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Gerhard Berger who graduated through F3 into F1 stardom....
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Old 28 Apr 2014, 16:43 (Ref:3399263)   #8
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Looks like 7 cars at Rockingham for the first British round, this will increase slightly at Silverstone to maybe 10
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Old 29 Apr 2014, 02:12 (Ref:3399458)   #9
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Geez, havent the British series taken a beating over the last cuppla years - from FBMW, FRenault, F3, they all used to be so strong...
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Old 29 Apr 2014, 05:39 (Ref:3399500)   #10
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Gerhard Berger has decided to screw up all independently regulated national grassroots series in pursuit of a globalised motorsporting world controlled by the FIA. Sounds god-awful.
The whole of motorsport seems to be just getting too expensive and over regulated in favour of vested interests and the FIA sanctioned company that thinks it can build one FIA endorsed car for so much money that the directors can all retire immediately!
At the end of the day most of the grass roots formulae have limited budgets and too many people just trying to screw the life out of anyone who wishes to compete.

A few years ago there were 160 FF cars for the Formula Ford Festival, now there are about 30 for the new spec cars and 150 for the Kent engined cars which are now generously being allowed to enter to keep the festival alive!

The FIA needs to go away and take a long hard look at itself and ensure that there is a grass roots formula that more people can afford, it is essential for the future of motorsport!
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Old 29 Apr 2014, 17:45 (Ref:3399750)   #11
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A few years ago there were 160 FF cars for the Formula Ford Festival, now there are about 30 for the new spec cars and 150 for the Kent engined cars which are now generously being allowed to enter to keep the festival alive!
Last year (and I believe this year), the Festival title was given to the Kent races, which underlines the point being made.
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Old 30 Apr 2014, 11:40 (Ref:3399984)   #12
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To be fair the typical Kent Festival entry is more like 40 than 150.
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Old 8 May 2014, 00:26 (Ref:3403572)   #13
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Gerhard Berger has decided to screw up all independently regulated national grassroots series in pursuit of a globalised motorsporting world controlled by the FIA. Sounds god-awful.

If the FIA commissioned someone to build a universal carbon tub and components, and spec'd the tub and components so that others could build the same thing.

Then maybe an FIA universal formula 3 would work!
All the rats and mice formulas currently on the scene clearly don't work!
The engines could be road car production engines with the allowed modifications to each engine specified internationally by the FIA in the manner the old Formula Ford Kent engines were spec'd. Everybody knew exactly what was allowed! Institute a claimer rule whereby any competitor can buy any other competitors engine after a race for a set price!

The problem with grass roots motorsport is cost, cost, cost!

We need accessibility and competition, not profiteering!


http://www.formula1-dictionary.net/monocoque.html

The F1 monocoque is pretty tightly spec'd as you can see near the bottom of the above article!

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The future of grassroots motorsport is the LeMons rules.
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Old 8 May 2014, 13:09 (Ref:3403770)   #15
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The future of grassroots motorsport is the LeMons rules.
Why so NaBUru38?
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Because LeMons are easy to buy and cheap to run. Not everyone can afford a GT3 or a FIA F3 car.
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Old 8 May 2014, 19:37 (Ref:3403883)   #17
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FIA F4 is the low cost solution, however I think it is solving the wrong problem.

The introduction of FIA F3 has inadvertently killed off the concept of national F3 series, just as the FRenault Eurocup did with some national FRenault series. Why race the cars for such a cost domestically, when you could save the money over a year and enter the European series the next year?

The only area of single seater racing that is not and will probably never be affected by Europeanasisation are the entry level series, simply because these are low cost series and competing on a European scale ultimately removes this low cost element.

However, these series have been affected by constant divisions as new series are created. FIA F4 aims to rectify this by creating an internationally recognised platform, utilised on a national scale.

Yet, for the reasons I have stated, FIA F4 is actually taking over the position of national Formula 3. I feel this is a natural cycle, remember national Formula 2 series? Can you imagine GP2 racing at Brands Hatch today? No, bluntly. As power levels and funding change, new series take over from old ones.

Maybe one day, FIA F4 will be made redundant on a national scale by a Formula 5 or Formula 6 series. I doubt this, then there would be far too many levels and you re-introduce the issue of the complex stairway. I see the natural path of a professional driver being FIA F4 in their country, Euro F3, GP3, GP2 and then F1/WEC/Top Class series.

I don’t believe the FIA intended this; however to me it is a logical progression. People are obviously sentimental about F3 but times have changed. View F4 as the new Formula 3 if you like, like the BMW M3 coupe now being the M4. The same philosophy exists under a different name.

The only issue for me is that because the FIA didn’t plan it like this, national F3 is enduring a long and drawn out death. If I was the president of the FIA, I would have told ASN’s that when their F4 championships are introduced, their F3 series must go. That may seem horrendously impractical but again I feel it is logical;
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The Australian F3 will likely die a slow death over the next couple of years. But I think the Euro, Japanese, British and German Series may survive.

The reason these series are struggling is because GP3 has split the Euro F3 grid, which has meant that drivers who would have raced British or German F3 are now in the euro comp to make up the numbers. Also other young drivers are choosing Formula Renault 2.0 over F3.
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The only issue for me is that because the FIA didn’t plan it like this, national F3 is enduring a long and drawn out death. If I was the president of the FIA, I would have told ASN’s that when their F4 championships are introduced, their F3 series must go. That may seem horrendously impractical but again I feel it is logical
well didnt they try to ban everyone from using "F3" in their name? so they kinda did try to "kill off" national F3 in a sense...
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In 2012 the Dallara F312 chassis price was € 94.800 for a roller.

You still need a gearbox and engine.

One for sale here:
http://www.motorsportmarkt.de/show/r...-for-sale.html


€ 94.800 for the car without engine

price with FIA F3 A1 engine: 114.000,00 € excl. VAT
price with FIA F3 Castrol engine: 125.000,00 € excl. VAT

Just plain mad!

Anyone got a budget estimate for a season in F3? €1 Million !???

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Old 10 May 2014, 08:26 (Ref:3404400)   #21
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British F3 £300,000
FIA F3 £500,000
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Old 21 May 2014, 08:08 (Ref:3408520)   #22
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Why are there 21 cars in Euroformula but just 10 or 7 cars in German and British F3?

Is it cheaper?
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Better value, better tracks, better TV, better promotion. Especially the tracks.
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Old 21 May 2014, 12:06 (Ref:3408621)   #24
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Not better value...twice the price!! and restricted testing so not good for new drivers
Manufacturers support the FIA series as they are normally racing DTM with them
FIA push it and have not helped the National Series in any way
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Sorry he said EuroFormula (nee Open), not the FIA!
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