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Old 1 Aug 2017, 20:18 (Ref:3756767)   #76
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Rather like Magnussen's manoevre.......
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Old 1 Aug 2017, 21:56 (Ref:3756788)   #77
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Indeed, not setting a good example at all
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Old 2 Aug 2017, 07:43 (Ref:3756837)   #78
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Old 2 Aug 2017, 09:16 (Ref:3756861)   #79
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Rather like Magnussen's manoevre.......
On one had yes, a harsh move, but if the bloody cars were more racer friendly, Hulk may have been able to go right at him at the next corner.
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Old 2 Aug 2017, 09:24 (Ref:3756863)   #80
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Magnussen was just paying Hulkenberg back for what Hulkenberg did to Grosjean on lap 1, which was just as bad as what Magnussen did to Hulkenberg.


edit: Found a video that shows the Hulkenberg move on Grosjean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoJIz5ISlx4

@ 0:18 sec.

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Old 2 Aug 2017, 10:14 (Ref:3756872)   #81
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L1 T1is always a different story. Plus Hulk had a very obvious wobble and simply lost his line. Also a different story than Magnussen's move.

So it was deliberate payback for a mistake. Up to you if you find that acceptable.
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Old 2 Aug 2017, 11:00 (Ref:3756879)   #82
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L1 T1is always a different story. Plus Hulk had a very obvious wobble and simply lost his line. Also a different story than Magnussen's move.

So it was deliberate payback for a mistake. Up to you if you find that acceptable.
I don't find it acceptable. What I do find unacceptable is when a driver does something deliberately wrong towards another, and then cry and complain when the favour is returned. It seems to be a common trait among German F1 drivers. And when it's a German F1 driver in a red car, this trait is multiplied tenfold.

What I also find unacceptable - is when a German thinks he's an Italian just because he drives a red car. Specially when his Italian sounds so phony.
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I think Kevin did worse too, Hulk just got out of shape and hit Grosjean, Kevin made no attempt to use the normal line
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Old 2 Aug 2017, 12:41 (Ref:3756911)   #84
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What I also find unacceptable - is when a German thinks he's an Italian just because he drives a red car. Specially when his Italian sounds so phony.
I have discussed this point with a number of Germans and Italians that I work with - and their view is the following:

They find it really strange that Brits and Americans are critical of people from one European country speaking in another European language.
They feel that it is only right for a German, in an Italian team, to speak the language of his employer.
They feel that his Italian sounds far from phony, and just sounds typical of someone who normally speaks a Germanic language speaking in a Romanic tongue. If they did not know the speaker, they would place them as being Tyrolean.

So other than a dislike of the individual - I can't understand why people are being critical of Vettel speaking Italian?
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I have discussed this point with a number of Germans and Italians that I work with - and their view is the following:

They find it really strange that Brits and Americans are critical of people from one European country speaking in another European language.
They feel that it is only right for a German, in an Italian team, to speak the language of his employer.
They feel that his Italian sounds far from phony, and just sounds typical of someone who normally speaks a Germanic language speaking in a Romanic tongue. If they did not know the speaker, they would place them as being Tyrolean.

So other than a dislike of the individual - I can't understand why people are being critical of Vettel speaking Italian?
I'd agree with that crm. When he first started driving the red cars I thought it was good style of him talking to and in particular thanking the team in Italian, I thought it very respectful. As this season progresses and Seb's antics have caused my opinions to sour somewhat, I do admit that I now view this as false & annoying!
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What I do find unacceptable is when a driver does something deliberately wrong towards another, and then cry and complain when the favour is returned. It seems to be a common trait among German F1 drivers.
So you cannot mean Hulk because there was nothing deliberate in T1. He briefly lost grip (car wobble) and then ran out of road, leading to contact. Therefore yor reference to German drivers here does not make sense other than showing your apparent dislike of German drivers.
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Magnussen was just paying Hulkenberg back for what Hulkenberg did to Grosjean on lap 1, which was just as bad as what Magnussen did to Hulkenberg.


edit: Found a video that shows the Hulkenberg move on Grosjean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoJIz5ISlx4

@ 0:18 sec.

It looked like Hulkenberg had recovered from the slight wobble and deliberately drove RoGro off the circuit to stop him getting ahead.

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Just about sums up Max's approach, aggressively push through any slight gap and rely on the other driver to get out of your way, the championship contenders are guaranteed to jump out of the way, and I think it would be confirmed by Vettel and Ricciardo.

Excellent vision and anticipation from Lewis to avoid the contact and not get his front wing damaged.

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I know Vettel hasn't been the best behaved, but it does look utterly ridiculous that we've got people criticizing him for speaking Italian.

It puts the other complaints in perspective. If Vettel is being criticized for speaking Italian, are the other complaints equally or partially as fabricated? Makes you wonder if people look for issues or make mountains out of mole hills at times.

Anyway - don't be ridiculous. Speaking the language of your employer is not a problem.
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To be fair the criticism isn't just that he spoke Italian it was that he was a German as well.
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