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18 Jun 2018, 15:29 (Ref:3831670) | #2002 | ||
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In 5-10 years time we will look back at the names on the winners trophy and see 2018 Toyota.
Who will even think at this time it was hollow or not, History will have them down as winners. You can only beat whats out there in front of you. Toyota deserved this due to the appalling luck in the past and they put their neck on the line and had a go. |
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18 Jun 2018, 15:46 (Ref:3831672) | #2003 | |
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Seems Toyota and Porsche mechanics got into a fight post-race, which security had to break up.
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I dunno. I've only ever seen two races all through. "All" means with available streaming. Last year and this year. I confess to a certain amount of cynicism with the two Toyotas but then I effectively shut them out and watched the other cars.
It was a great victory for the Toyota team. If nothing else they beat the circuit. But for me, as last year the GTE Pro class was where the cut and thrust was. Overall I teally.enjoyed it to the extent I may forego my own racing exploits and attend next year. |
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18 Jun 2018, 16:26 (Ref:3831676) | #2005 | ||
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sorry if this has been asked and answered already...
in terms of distance/laps covered/fastest laps etc how did the Toyota's compare to past winners? or is that an irrelevant question given changes to the track over time? |
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18 Jun 2018, 16:53 (Ref:3831684) | #2008 | |
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I feel sadly that the distance record will never be broken again. The organizers are too trigger happy with the slow zones and safety cars. The vast majority of slow zones could have been handled with double waved yellows and the safety cars should have been FCY.
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18 Jun 2018, 17:20 (Ref:3831688) | #2009 | ||
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It was at dawn. Jan was on point this year and the quickest of the three.
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18 Jun 2018, 17:56 (Ref:3831695) | #2011 | ||
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18 Jun 2018, 18:04 (Ref:3831697) | #2012 | |
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I don't think that's a very valid complaint. You want a BoP formula and that's what you get. When cars are made by regulation to only go as fast as each other you will either get nose to tail racing or insurmountable gaps. Safety cars and slow zones or not.
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18 Jun 2018, 18:05 (Ref:3831698) | #2013 | |
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“In the end the race was less spectacular. You cannot invent anything, you cannot do any strategy. You must do a stop every 14 laps… It was very frustrating.
That's the real issue here. The time could've been made up with clever strategy calls and what not, but everyone is locked into 14 laps, and taking tyres at a stop is a no-brainer now. So you cannot make up the time and get yourself in position to take advantage of the next SC. The SC issue has always existed and we've all moaned about it, but it's never had a larger effect than it did this year. That's purely down to the new pit stop regulations and the mandated stint lengths. If you put every car on an identical strategy, you'll get identical results, and that's what happened. The FCY doesn't really work at Le Mans. The whole point in the SC is that it creates gaps in the traffic for the marshals to work in. You won't get that from a FCY, so you can't really use it in place of a SC. Literally, all they need to do is go back to the old pit regulations and get rid of the stint length rules. Then you'll see strategy back in. Yes a SC will still do a split, but time can be made up. Having 1 SC unfairly penalises the other way where fast cars will get brought back. |
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18 Jun 2018, 18:11 (Ref:3831700) | #2014 | |
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Not sure if the two subsets ever converge, but I hope someone with a brain who also has clout with FIA reads this and thinks about it ... and acts on it.
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18 Jun 2018, 18:27 (Ref:3831708) | #2015 | |
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I agree those need to be put back in asap, but I don't think they would have made a difference anyway in this race. BoP exists to make cars equal on pace. If BoP is perfect, the race is a procession without a single on-track overtake because every car is on exactly the same pace. They got close to that this year and hence this result.
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18 Jun 2018, 18:44 (Ref:3831717) | #2018 | |
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Tbh that was a pretty boring race. LMP1 was decided in the first corner (didn't really care which Toyota wins), LMP2 was a procession after the first stint and GTE was disrupted by the safety car. Well, maybe next year will be better.
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18 Jun 2018, 19:03 (Ref:3831721) | #2019 | |
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Average of each LMP1 drivers top 40 laps.
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18 Jun 2018, 19:06 (Ref:3831722) | #2020 | ||
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Well perhaps the toyota result was expected, but i was there and enjoyed the race plenty of close action and surprises.
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Gdrive #26 LMP2 winners are excluded for an illegal refuelling restrictior.
#28 TDS Oreca also excluded from third place for the same reason |
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18 Jun 2018, 19:17 (Ref:3831727) | #2022 | ||
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And the #28 TDS as well!
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18 Jun 2018, 19:18 (Ref:3831729) | #2024 | ||
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Also, the fight that was mentioned somewhere on here between Toyota and Porsche team members was mentioned in the post race notes on SC365 and has a link to an article in a Belgian newspaper.
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Rusinov is going to hit the roof.
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