No driver orders at Mclaren?/McLaren under investigation - Page 2

Paulc · 28 May 2007, 09:29 (Ref:1922599)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

Alonso eased off towards the end, and Lewis put on a few fast laps as a show for the fans, a demonstration that in normal circumstances he can match Fernando's pace. Lewis wasn't denied a chance to win the race, he was the slower McLaren driver overall and had spells when he couldn't live with Fernando's pace. It wasn't a very entertaining race, but the blame for that goes to Kimi, and perhaps Ferrari in general.

Yeah yeah, I heard a radio interview with Hamilton this morning who says he was given team orders to slow down,may the best man win ...not.....Roll on North America cos Alonso will be no2 for the rest of the season and we can see what this kid really can do.

**Adam43** · 28 May 2007, 09:50 (Ref:1922621)

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Originally Posted by Paulc

Yeah yeah,

Yeah, yeah. Whatever. Am I bothered?

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I heard a radio interview with Hamilton this morning who says he was given team orders to slow down

Well yes. A bit Aintree '55 wasn't it?

I have just read your first post to start this thread again.

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Is Ron Dennis having a laugh suggesting that there are no driver orders at Mclaren,Hamilton was way quicker than Alonso towards the closing stages at Monaco and obviously backed off.

I am not sure where you get this from. Ron clearly stated after the race that he told them to back off. He actually said he had done this quite early, earlier than the lap times suggested.

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,may the best man win ...not.....

The best man did win yesterday.

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Roll on North America cos Alonso will be no2 for the rest of the season and we can see what this kid really can do.

Ah.

Inigo Montoya · 28 May 2007, 09:50 (Ref:1922622)

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Originally Posted by Paulc

...but again drab modern F1 tactics ruin the day.Do you remember the good old days Senna mansell at Monaco RACING..........................they used to do that once

http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ftdt047.html

Steevp · 28 May 2007, 10:00 (Ref:1922629)

Ron just said they decided in advance thet Alonso would win.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/...nso_would_win/

The definition of team orders..

Marbot · 28 May 2007, 10:02 (Ref:1922632)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

There is nothing to get excited about really.

Never a truer word spoken (sums it all up for me anyway).

Mr V · 28 May 2007, 10:23 (Ref:1922644)

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Originally Posted by Glen

Lewis lost the race on Saturday,[...........]. No doubt he was quicker than Alonso though [..........] Amazingly Hamilton was so quick in quali 3 with so much more fuel on board.

Lewis lost the race the race at the start, whilst obviously he didn't want to do anything silly, he didn't even have a go at Fernando, which was proberbly understandable, but that was his only real shot at the win.

As for being so much faster on saturday, agreed, he was mighty, but not sure so much comes in to it. Compare the Mac's with the BMW's, Kubica qualified just 2/10ths behind Nick, but lapped 13 laps after him in the race.

Agree with this tho'.......

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Originally Posted by Glen

Alonso drove an exceptional race, coped with the pressure brilliantly, and delivered just like a Champion should.

deejay · 28 May 2007, 10:26 (Ref:1922648)

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

http://www.grandprix.com/ft/ftdt047.html

Love the second to last paragraph.

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Originally Posted by grandprix.com in 2002

Since then there have been a couple of occasions when Barrichello has helped Schumacher but not one which resulted in handing over a victory.

deeks6 · 28 May 2007, 10:27 (Ref:1922649)

I guess the fact that people are even arguing about Hamilton vs Alonso speaks volumes for the lad ... we are talking about a dual world champion here, the youngest ever and by anyones definition - a virtuoso.

Now I personally don't think Lewis is an Alonso quite yet but he's only a smidgeon away, is'nt he?

f1manoz · 28 May 2007, 10:32 (Ref:1922654)

And now here comes the Hamilton brigade to have a whinge?

Alonso was the quicker man during the race. Anything Hamilton did, Alonso responded. He led every lap except during the pitstops and was the worthy winner.

Hamilton was told to hold station as Ron Dennis did not want his cars taking each other out and Hamilton would not have been able to overtake on the track.

Seems rather sensible to me.

But the boo-hoo brigade need something to cry about it seems that boy wonder appears to have been 'robbed' of a win he didn't deserve.

Marbot · 28 May 2007, 10:50 (Ref:1922668)

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Originally Posted by f1manoz

Seems rather sensible to me.

I don't think that Hamilton was robbed of victory.But I thought that maybe some of the fans who had paid to watch around the streets of Monaco had been robbed of a race.They would have imagined that when Hamilton was only a second or so behind Alonso that they would be in for a treat.The reality,as we know,was quite different.

Inigo Montoya · 28 May 2007, 11:05 (Ref:1922682)

Well the solution is easy. All constructors can run only one car. Wait a minute... that would effectively eliminate the constructor's championship.

Marbot · 28 May 2007, 11:15 (Ref:1922688)

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Well the solution is easy. All constructors can run only one car. Wait a minute... that would effectively eliminate the constructor's championship.

Just wait while next season-confused-you will be.

I blame Ferrari for not doing a good enough job.There,that's my swipe at Ferrari.I feel much happier now.

Knowlesy · 28 May 2007, 11:21 (Ref:1922693)

The tabloid papers are having a field day today.

"Hamilton fury as Alonso pips him".

I had to laugh at the 'pip' (it was a word to that effect anyways) bit at first but upon further reading it turns out Lewis is furious and McLarens credibility is totally on the scrapheap. Alonso won this race purely on teamorders, it was all a game! LEWIS WAS THE BEST MAN AND THE BEST MAN WAS DENIED!

Now, I don't know what this is based on, but I think someone has watched the wrong race. Or had a dream. Or both. Alonso, as has been said, held the majority of the fastest laps. He is our voted driver of the race most probably. And he was flawless all weekend.

Face it guys. Those of you who are crying over this are in agreement with 'The Sun' and 'The Daily Star' or whatever. And that's the biggest insult I can hand out without having to warn myself.

Charlies · 28 May 2007, 11:28 (Ref:1922699)

Sorry but this is a ridiculous debate. McLaren had a 1-2, 18 points on a weekend where Ferrari weren't going to score half that. What was to be gained by having one of their drivers stuff it in the Armco trying to race one another? When they were trading fastest lap, they clearly weren't on a leash.

I see that the British media are up in arms. More to do with McLaren restricting access to Hamilton. Quick, manufacture outrage...

**Adam43** · 28 May 2007, 11:29 (Ref:1922700)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

But I thought that maybe some of the fans who had paid to watch around the streets of Monaco had been robbed of a race.

Outrage! Not like the old days eh?

Hopefully they will give up on F1 and watch something else.

Marbot · 28 May 2007, 11:29 (Ref:1922701)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Face it guys. Those of you who are crying over this are in agreement with 'The Sun' and 'The Daily Star' or whatever. And that's the biggest insult I can hand out without having to warn myself.

There are perhaps those of us who feel that we may have been robbed of a "race",not necessarily an Hamilton victory.

The thing with the tabloids is that if you have the inclination to read them (and many do) you will come away with the impression that F1 is 'fixed' in some way.

**Adam43** · 28 May 2007, 11:30 (Ref:1922702)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

The thing with the tabloids is that if you have the inclination to read them (and many do) you will come away with the impression that F1 is 'fixed' in some way.

That is exactly whay knowlesy is saying.

Knowlesy · 28 May 2007, 11:32 (Ref:1922704)

What is this "robbed of a race" stuff?

The only stage they didn't appear to race was after the final stop. However, before that they seemed to be going at it hammer and tongs with purple sector times all over the place. It was great.

Just because they held back for 20 laps to preserve their cars on a difficult track did not rob us of anything.

Of course, some people expect them to be side by side for the duration of the race, which is a tad fanciful.

Paulc · 28 May 2007, 11:33 (Ref:1922707)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Yeah, yeah. Whatever. Am I bothered?

Well yes. A bit Aintree '55 wasn't it?

I have just read your first post to start this thread again.
I am not sure where you get this from. Ron clearly stated after the race that he told them to back off. He actually said he had done this quite early, earlier than the lap times suggested.
The best man did win yesterday.
Ah.

Youve obviously been conditioned to enjoy "modern bland F1 racing"with all its traits team orders etc, just the fans Bernie wants nowdays.technology,glamour oh yeah,racers oh no thats a thing of the past, for a start dump TC cos F1 has died a death ever since this was brought in,check out the none TC Gp2 Monaco race most of the accidents were caused by not having TC,yes the cars were a handfull ask Mike Conway

but it was far more entertaining than the F1 race.I dont get it why cant the pinnicle of motorsport be fun anymore?I guess the only way this will change is with the demise of Ecclestone

.This says it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUkv6P-2SAw

Knowlesy · 28 May 2007, 11:36 (Ref:1922710)

Did anyone see the Italian GP in 1979? Those team orders were an absolute abomination. The fans were just totally cheated.

Show some common sense people. This is a team game. For me, there is an application of team orders that is acceptable and an application that is unacceptable. Asking the guys to preserve the cars is surely OK and intelligent? It's not like Lewis pulled over at the line to let Alonso past at the last yard, that would be annoying and probably illegal nowadays too.

Armco Bender · 28 May 2007, 11:36 (Ref:1922711)

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The thing with the tabloids is that if you have the inclination to read them (and many do) you will come away with the impression that F1 is 'fixed' in some way.

Not since USGP 2005.

marcel82 · 28 May 2007, 11:37 (Ref:1922712)

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Originally Posted by Steevp

Ron just said they decided in advance thet Alonso would win.

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2007/...nso_would_win/

The definition of team orders..

technically, what he said was:

if there had been a SC, Hamilton would've won
if there was no SC, Alonso would've won

that was their "strategy"

Marbot · 28 May 2007, 11:38 (Ref:1922713)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

The only stage they didn't appear to race was after the final stop.

The important bit then.

Paulc · 28 May 2007, 11:39 (Ref:1922715)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

What is this "robbed of a race" stuff?

The only stage they didn't appear to race was after the final stop. However, before that they seemed to be going at it hammer and tongs with purple sector times all over the place. It was great.

Just because they held back for 20 laps to preserve their cars on a difficult track did not rob us of anything.

Of course, some people expect them to be side by side for the duration of the race, which is a tad fanciful.

You really thought that was a race? *shakes head from side to side*

Knowlesy · 28 May 2007, 11:41 (Ref:1922717)

Define "race".

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