V8 Supercars Future International Rounds (Merged)

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

dont the fans gets subsidised travel costs by having the event closer to them.

ie the 70,000 fans who went to texas dont have to pay to travel overseas

70 000 individual fans pecky??????

And the event still lost hideous amounts of money.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

70 000 individual fans pecky??????

And the event still lost hideous amounts of money.

that was the attendance apparantly.

How much money did it lose? you appear to know something Why do they want them back if they lost heaps of money?

[naca]

Atleast there won't be a class changing lambo or a start before dawn if they race in the US pecky.

[Belly13]

Originally Posted by naca

Atleast there won't be a class changing lambo or a start before dawn if they race in the US pecky.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

that was the attendance apparantly.

How much money did it lose? you appear to know something Why do they want them back if they lost heaps of money?

If they wanted them back seriously, wouldnt they be racing this year? You know the 2nd year of the 5 year contract.

Speedcafe

Although announced as a five-year deal, the future of the Austin 400 is not completely guaranteed with the circuit said to have made a significant loss on May’s inaugural meeting.

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/08/02/...in-400-future/

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

If they wanted them back seriously, wouldnt they be racing this year? You know the 2nd year of the 5 year contract.

Speedcafe

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/08/02/...in-400-future/

which is why they are looking to match it to a 2nd round in the USA to share one of the most significant costs, the travel costs.

I think that has been explained though

[D.R.T.]

Yes sooooooooooooooooo it is currently unsustainable, along with every single other overseas venture (Pukekohe aside).

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Yes sooooooooooooooooo it is currently unsustainable, along with every single other overseas venture (Pukekohe aside).

Its unsustainable in its previous form, but there was a never an expectation to hold the race in the previous form, it was always to combine it with another event to help offset transport costs

[one five five]

It was interesting to hear Triple M's comments on the V8s on Monday evening. They are usually big supporters of the V8Supercars (They've presented shows from the Gold Coast, Homebush and Bathurst in the last few years).

One of the presenters made a point of getting his opinion across that the V8s should forget about the USA and stick to Australia, where the heartland fans are.

Have to say I agree.

Originally Posted by naca

Atleast there won't be a class changing lambo or a start before dawn if they race in the US pecky.

We'll be getting up before dawn to watch them over here though

Originally Posted by naca

Its unsustainable in its previous form, but there was a never an expectation to hold the race in the previous form

The Texas race was announced in 2011, in the two years they had before the May 2013 Texas event, a 2nd USA event was never mentioned for the 2013 season.

How was there then never an expectation to hold the 2013 event in it's 2013 form?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

It was interesting to hear Triple M's comments on the V8s on Monday evening. They are usually big supporters of the V8Supercars (They've presented shows from the Gold Coast, Homebush and Bathurst in the last few years).

One of the presenters made a point of getting his opinion across that the V8s should forget about the USA and stick to Australia, where the heartland fans are.

Have to say I agree.



We'll be getting up before dawn to watch them over here though



The Texas race was announced in 2011, in the two years they had before the May 2013 Texas event, a 2nd USA event was never mentioned for the 2013 season.

How was there then never an expectation to hold the 2013 event in it's 2013 form?

here is something from just after the texas race last year (may 20)

V8 Supercars' US debut hailed an overwhelming success

V8 officials ideally want to add a second North or Central American race to the calendar in future years, making the $3 million cost of freighting the series to the region even more cost-effective.

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[bravo]

Originally Posted by peckstar

my understanding is the FIA have said they are not allowed into Europe

Nothing wrong with your idea though

Is that because they would show up some of the existing premier touring series as... well... a bit slow?

I think V8s have a massive fan base outside Aus. It's fast, close, usually clean racing which excites in a way that BTCC and DTM don't always manage. Clipsal 500 had my whole family pinned to the TV.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by bravo

Is that because they would show up some of the existing premier touring series as... well... a bit slow?

I think V8s have a massive fan base outside Aus. It's fast, close, usually clean racing which excites in a way that BTCC and DTM don't always manage. Clipsal 500 had my whole family pinned to the TV.

Precisely.

The Aussie and NZ members seem to slag on the V8's at nearly any chance they get, yet around the rest of the world, we see it as basically the top of the Touring Car racing.

That, and as most of the Americans I know that follow it, you guys also have the best motorsport television coverage in the world with the way the V8's are presented.

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by one five five

It was interesting to hear Triple M's comments on the V8s on Monday evening. They are usually big supporters of the V8Supercars (They've presented shows from the Gold Coast, Homebush and Bathurst in the last few years).

One of the presenters made a point of getting his opinion across that the V8s should forget about the USA and stick to Australia, where the heartland fans are.

Have to say I agree.

What if it's an additional round, not a replacement for an existing round? Would you still not want it to happen?

[one five five]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

What if it's an additional round, not a replacement for an existing round? Would you still not want it to happen?

When we are using all the tracks available in Australia, then running overseas might make a little more sense, perhaps.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

When we are using all the tracks available in Australia, then running overseas might make a little more sense, perhaps.

Dont we use all the tracks available in Australia? the tracks we dont sue are not really suitable

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Dont we use all the tracks available in Australia? the tracks we dont sue are not really suitable

Agreed. The series is represented in every state which is the most important aspect.

If you're going to add races on top of that, I'm all for it.

[one five five]

There is no reason the likes of Mallala or Wakefield Park shouldn't have rounds, and then Eastern Creek is hopping on and off the merry-go-round year on year.

Get those on the calendar permanently and then start chasing this overseas wet dream.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

There is no reason the likes of Mallala or Wakefield Park shouldn't have rounds, and then Eastern Creek is hopping on and off the merry-go-round year on year.

Get those on the calendar permanently and then start chasing this overseas wet dream.

have you ever been to mallala.Its just not big enough, it doesnt have the infrastructure to suit the crowd.

My understanding is Wakefield park is in a similar position although i dont know that for sure, have never been there

[AndyS]

Originally Posted by bravo

Is that because they would show up some of the existing premier touring series as... well... a bit slow?

I think V8s have a massive fan base outside Aus. It's fast, close, usually clean racing which excites in a way that BTCC and DTM don't always manage.

Agree with that, I love it. Proper racing cars, great tracks, great drivers, great racing. Its one of the best series out there at the moment. DTM I feel is a wasted opportunity, V8 Euro Series has never taken hold and the WTCC is a bore fest. The BTCC is getting there and improving year on year and certainly has the fan base but its not in the same league as V8's at this time. Not familiar with TC2000 so can't comment there.

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by peckstar

have you ever been to mallala.Its just not big enough, it doesnt have the infrastructure to suit the crowd.

My understanding is Wakefield park is in a similar position although i dont know that for sure, have never been there

You're right Peckstar, there's no way that Wakefield would hold a V8 race. It was designed and built as a state level motorsport facility and it fulfills that purpose wonderfully. It's a great part of our motorsport infrastructure but it isn't equipped to handle a V8SC round.

With Homebush, EC and Bathurst, NSW doesn't need a fourth round of the series either.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

You're right Peckstar, there's no way that Wakefield would hold a V8 race. It was designed and built as a state level motorsport facility and it fulfills that purpose wonderfully. It's a great part of our motorsport infrastructure but it isn't equipped to handle a V8SC round.

With Homebush, EC and Bathurst, NSW doesn't need a fourth round of the series either.

Except that its held national level events before - not bad for a state level motorsport facility

[one five five]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

You're right Peckstar, there's no way that Wakefield would hold a V8 race. It was designed and built as a state level motorsport facility and it fulfills that purpose wonderfully. It's a great part of our motorsport infrastructure but it isn't equipped to handle a V8SC round.

With Homebush, EC and Bathurst, NSW doesn't need a fourth round of the series either.

Wakefield Park handled the Development Series ok. Given it is 3hrs from Sydney, would probably draw a good 'outback crowd' too.

It is only snobbery and ego's keeping the V8s out of the permanent circuits they currently aren't attending.

NSW used to host five national championship touring car events each year and do alright.

And now we have V8Supercars publically supporting some new permanent circuit plans.... but where is their public support for upgrading the current permanent circuits that don't currently have a round?

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Except that its held national level events before - not bad for a state level motorsport facility

Fine, if we're going to play semantics. It was designed and built for semi-professional racing, for gentleman racers, for whatever you want to call it.

It was never intended as a venue for large scale, large crowd events such as the ATCC/V8SC and those 'national level' events are even close to that scale.

Equally, you wouldn't take Muscle Car Masters or several other events there because if you got 5000 spectators to that place the joint would be packed out.

Not every venue is suitable for V8s and that's not snobbery or ego. You wouldn't hold a State of Origin at a suburban football ground. It's the same thing. Different places have different purposes.

Unbelievably, V8s is now talking about offering support for new or existing venues - regardless of whether they are likely to hold a round in the future - essentially helping the rest of the motorsport community and you're bagging them for it. The same people who used to bag them for not doing that sort of stuff.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

Not every venue is suitable for V8s and that's not snobbery or ego. You wouldn't hold a State of Origin at a suburban football ground. It's the same thing. Different places have different purposes.

NRL holds games at surburban grounds every week. (State Of Origin is more in comparison with Bathurst, rather than a normal V8 round)

What makes Wakefield Park or Mallala less suitable than Symmons Plains or Wannaroo?

Originally Posted by eduardo1

Unbelievably, V8s is now talking about offering support for new or existing venues - regardless of whether they are likely to hold a round in the future - essentially helping the rest of the motorsport community and you're bagging them for it. The same people who used to bag them for not doing that sort of stuff.

Who is bagging V8Supercars for supporting the building of permanent venues?

I'm just asking where their support has been for the existing permanent circuits they have happily run away from ever since the 'world was saved' in 1997?

[sweetchuk]

Originally Posted by Matt

That, and as most of the Americans I know that follow it, you guys also have the best motorsport television coverage in the world with the way the V8's are presented.

There's more than a grain of truth in that.

I remember well, an interview between Darrell Waltrip & Dale Earhardt Jnr / Tony Stewart when DW got back to America AFTER his trip around Bathurst in a V8Supercar with Jason Bright a couple years ago, and they played that clip to the NASCAR drivers, who said they'd LOVE to experience something like that.

Imagine going in to support a Sprint Cup NASCAR Road Race like at the Glen, and involving perhaps NASCAR drivers as co-drivers for an endurance event, to assist in promotion for V8Supercars not just here but in the US - potentially a hugely lucrative market as the traditional 'Home of the V8'.

The fans would love it, the NASCAR drivers would also be in it in a flash .... practical logistics aside for the moment, if V8Supercars could tie up an arrangement like that (and with friends like Roger Penske & his possible involvement here with a V8Supercar team potentially in the future) I think it would be a very exciting possibility and a pointer to perhaps future support status for the biggest form of Motorsport in the US.

Seriously, if you're going to go overseas, and if it were possible, you might as well tie in with the biggest, most popular form of Motorsport in that country - none bigger than NASCAR and with Australia already having a competing driver with Marcos Ambrose there, along with bit parts played by other drivers over the years, it would fit really well with our theme - V8's, big noise, exciting road racing.

Just a whimsical thought, that's all ...