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Old 12 Oct 2005, 01:20 (Ref:1431379)   #1
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Balaclavagate: did a team dob SBR in?

Todays Motorsport News says that Stewards only acted on Luffs balaclava after they were alerted by an "AVESCO official" in pit lane. Chief steward Chopping says he doesnt know who brought it to the AVESCO officials attention! MN is suggesting it came from another team. Almost sounds like SBR were set up. Anyone have any info on who it could have been?
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 01:24 (Ref:1431382)   #2
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Set up to not wear their balaclavas?
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 02:10 (Ref:1431409)   #3
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No. Why Car 1 was singled out, when others werent wearing balaclavas. And why in the middle of the biggest race of they year. As Ambrose says, why wouldnt it have been brought up in practice or drivers briefing if it was so important.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 02:11 (Ref:1431410)   #4
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AVESCO officials? Since when have there been AVESCO officials?

AVESCO employees yes, but they are NOT officials at any meeting.

They just seem to grow their own importance every meeting.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 02:21 (Ref:1431419)   #5
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On the money Storyline.

Was the person in question a PIT LANE OBSERVER or an AVE$$CO employee with no actual juristiction over the competition rules that the drivers were abiding (or allegedly not) by during the running of the event.


As much as AVE$$CO hate to be viewed as similar to NASCAR, the "Pit Lane AVE$$CO people:" for lack of a better description are almost identical in role to the NASCAR pit lane officials, except for the previously mentioned lack of official capacity.


I'll throw this up for debate as well.

Would the person who cited the SBR drivers for lack of a balaclava NEED to be a Judge of Fact ?
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 02:24 (Ref:1431420)   #6
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Did somebody steal their balaclava's? No, then they did it to themselves I'm afraid.

You can't be busted for doing the wrong thing if you're doing the right thing.

Yes it was harsh, yes it ruined the race a bit, yes it was a petty thing but unfortunately they did the wrong thing and paid for it.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 03:15 (Ref:1431440)   #7
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UC, there is no need for person who sighted the non-bala wearing to be a Judge of Fact as it would be relayed to race control and then proof was in the pudding by watching the incar (but I believe pit lane marshals are declared judges of fact regarding pit stops & CPS).

What we need is someone with time on thier hands to go back and watch the entire race again to see if anyone else wasn't wearing them.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 03:24 (Ref:1431443)   #8
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Did we ever actually find anyone elso not wearing one?
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 03:59 (Ref:1431457)   #9
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There were a couple of drivers who made unscheduled changes and disappeared from view with their helmets still on. All coinciding with the furore going on down at SBR.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 04:12 (Ref:1431466)   #10
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Would the person who cited the SBR drivers for lack of a balaclava NEED to be a Judge of Fact ?
Based on what has been said afterwards by officialdom - yes he would.

Why?

Because otherwise the point COULD have been protested and argued - under the Australian NCR's a Judge of Facts decision cannot be protested. IMHO one of the most ridiculous rules in place in Australia because it allows a completely biased person, or someone with an axe to grind to make a decision and that decision stands - regardless of what any other evidence shows.

Now - some of those who make decisions in race control are judges of fact - and I am not suggesting they are being dishonest or perverting justice - but you sometimes have to wonder whether a pattern of decisions that has been made are being made because of factual evidence or personality?

Obviously everyone will have their own opinion - I'vee seen these decisions being made and I have to say the latter course very closely matches the pattern of some people.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 05:41 (Ref:1431499)   #11
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Firstly, and off-topic ever so slightly - don't think that the name of a topic is enhanced by the inclusion of 'gate' at the end of it.

As for the debate over whether or not a team informed whoever it was about SBR drivers not wearing their balaclavas, who knows? It's possible.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 05:56 (Ref:1431502)   #12
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BUt but but - everything that has a hint of conspiracy gets the lettes 'gate' added to it these days - after all - someone has to be blamed (innocent or otherwise)!
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 05:59 (Ref:1431504)   #13
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As far as i know, the only other drivers to be suspicious about balaclavas were SBRs other drivers.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 07:44 (Ref:1431552)   #14
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The person who called in that they were not wearing balaclava's does not have to be a JOF, it was the Tech Director who went to the garage and let RC know what the situation was, they then hand down the penalty. I do agree with you on the point of their not being the chance to redress an incorrect penalty given when the JOF did and has got it wrong before.
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Old 12 Oct 2005, 08:07 (Ref:1431564)   #15
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I have been told by a person in another established ford team that the person who blew the whistle was the grinch. Where he got that info from I do not know, but he did name the grinch as being a snitch.
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