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[M.Lowe]

Hopefully I will get some static pics for possible Rallycross models

Ewin for the procar 2000 win

[Stephen H]

Originally Posted by M.Lowe

Totally agree with you
If goodings car MK4 Escort is let in and the others aren't then it stinks on the PSM side of it

As the Gooding car is the ex-Hopkins 4WD escort, it predates Gollop and Renny introducing the group B, 6R4 and RS200`s into Rallycross.

Any news on supernationals coming from across the water?

[silver bullet]

I guess Bob's car must comply with the Superprix regs, otherwise it would not be allowed to enter.

Division 1 - Touring cars homologated in Group A or in Supertouring and conforming to
Appendix J - Group A (Articles 251 to 255); the modifications listed in Appendix J (Articles 279.2
and 279.3) are permitted. Cars must be rigidly closed nonconvertible models. An exception will
be made regarding air flow, which will be allowed to exit at any point behind the rear wheels of
the car and also the location of the exhaust, as cars will be permitted to race if the pipe exits from
the side. Non FIA Dashboards will be allowed and cars will have the option to run with or without
the catalytic converter.
Division 1S - Cars must be 4WD (4wd cars only that don’t comply with Division 1 homologation
regulations), that are rigidly closed, non-convertible models. All Division 1S cars must weigh a
minimum of 1200kg and be fitted with a 45mm restrictor. Vehicles in Division 1S must comply
with the silhouette of the original bodyshell and have a maximum physical capacity of 2058cc
including maximum overbore. Aerodynamics in Division 1S will be allowed providing they comply
with section 3.3.1 and 3.3.3 of the FIA Regulations – Appendix J, Article 279.

If a car fits in with those regulations then it is obviously eligible to enter. It does not matter what our personal views regarding it's age, or what other cars we would rather see there.


FWIW my personal view is, if the entry remains capped at 20 and Euro drivers are being turned away, then I would rather not see the Escort, and give the place to a European driver, but if the 20 car limit is lifted (which I hope it will be ) then fine let it race.

[Bob Gooding]

its a escort mk3, its 24 years old,it complys to open/brda regs,it was 8th last s/prix. the rs200 dose not comply to open/brda regs the rs200 dose not have a steel drivers door,it was not made with one so there for it should not be competing in brda events, grp b cars do not comply with open regs.So do you ban cars that comply with the regs.Lets hope the s/prix is big event for rallycross and is enjoyed by every one. Psm and myself take pride in letting any drivers enter events with cars that meet the regs for the event, most of you know i am banned from entering brda events the reson for this is i told the facts, so to have choice were you race is not always in your hands i hope you come along to croft all drivers & spectaors.

[fullcircle]

Originally Posted by M.Lowe

If goodings car MK4 Escort is let in and the others aren't then it stinks on the PSM side of it

What a stupid and clumsy statement. At least Bob has the inclination to come on here and clarify matters.

Whilst 6R4's are great cars PSM and the rest of the ERC clearly feel they have no place in a modern championship and rightly so.
I can understand why you want to see them race but if they cant race then thats not PSM's fault its called moving on and those owners/drivers will have to find somewhere else for them to race

[leonidas]

I'm getting the feeling we've been here before... bottom line is that the Superprix main event is for Group A and Supertouring - not Group B. This is stated in the regulations and Peter and his colleagues have made this absoultely clear from the start.

There is nothing to stop the Group B cars taking part in the revivals section of the meeting if they wish. I'm sure they'd get an excellent reception from the fans if they did.

[daz2202]

guys this old car / new car / group b car has been debated over and over (and what a great debate it is) it should have its own thread and not to hijack the superprix one.

so being that this is a superprix thread and bob has entered a car that complies with the regs there is no question that he should be allowed. His money and his fun is as important as anyone elses.

Roll on superprix weekend and yes i agree with you s/b lets hope psm lift the max car entry on supercars and we have a paddock full.

[Queen]

Originally Posted by Bob Gooding

Psm and myself take pride in letting any drivers enter events with cars that meet the regs for the event, most of you know i am banned from entering brda events the reson for this is i told the facts, so to have choice were you race is not always in your hands i hope you come along to croft all drivers & spectaors.

Sorry Bob, But you are not banned from the BRDA events. It is a self imposed ban. Your responsible for it, no one else. As for you telling the truth about your self imposed ban. Look in the mirror.

[BertMk2]

moving swiftly back to topic.......

[Cryos]

Can we keep the thread clean and constructive.

[Bob Gooding]

dear queen the brda have sent back my membership fee,if you are not a member of brda no british rallycross.The chairman of brda John Horton dose not want to talk,email or write to me. I have had one entry refuesd 3/4 may 08. So if i am not banned send it to me in writing and i will gladley send in an entry for the next brda event,this will save me the bother in writing to the msa.

[Cryos]

Bob & Queen,

Can we keep it on topic, bob appriciate your situation but this isnt really the place to debate this matter; I would sugest getting onto the MSA as the BRDA has to answer to the MSA as a Licenced National Championship.

[silver bullet]

Originally Posted by daz2202

Roll on superprix weekend and yes i agree with you s/b lets hope psm lift the max car entry on supercars and we have a paddock full.

I've just been thinking about this, and the problem with lifting the entry cap would be the knockout system the Superprix uses. It's set up for a 20 car entry, I don't know how easy it would be to rearrange it for more cars.

[The Eye]

Kenneth Hansen will not drive the Superprix this year.

[bodgit]

Any reasons known for him not driveing in the superprix

[chunder]

Oh dear

Looks like a drawback really, everyoine else seems to have their cars up for sale so I guess unles there is interest in their machines in the UK most will not bother coming.

Damned shame, have to feel that if meeting was down South travel would be less of a problem and at least some Belgians and Dutch would come, maybe even some French.

[PhergAthor]

Originally Posted by chunder

Oh dear

Looks like a drawback really, everyoine else seems to have their cars up for sale so I guess unles there is interest in their machines in the UK most will not bother coming.

Damned shame, have to feel that if meeting was down South travel would be less of a problem and at least some Belgians and Dutch would come, maybe even some French.

Chunder, IMHO you guys overrate the superprix. Here in Europe we know the event but don't think of it as a high profile event as you do. This thread was started in july, so it must have a big impact on the Brittish fans. But for instance the Easter monday event has a higher profile here. If there is extra budget for races outside the national champ, we go to ERC events. If I had a car I would rather do the French round in Lohéac than the superprix.

As for the "international" character of the event: if 18 out of 20 cars are "domestic" entries and there will be 2 invités out of Europe, it's more or less a "local" showcase.

Not that you not rightfully should be proud of the event, it surely be a fantastic event. But for me a joint Irish-Brittish event is as appealling.

[silver bullet]

While it is slightly disappointing that Kenneth may not be coming, just as big a draw to the event for spectators, are the Scandinavian Supernationals. I hope some of them will be making the trip over.

[chunder]

I was really meaning that the event is never going to be anywhere near as popular as the old GP

That was a great way for lots of national drievrs to end the year.

I ahve never really rated the Superprix, It was good once when they got Jernberg, Eklund, Hansen and a few otehrs over, but otehr than that has been largely a domestic race with "apparent" non appearances by the likes of Isachsen etc.

Not really worth making the trip sadly, but would have been with a few Euro's

My other point is that if the race was at Lydden perhaps, then guys like Pauwels, Coox, Mechelen at least might come over, and maybe one or two French cars.

[M.Lowe]

Originally Posted by fullcircle

What a stupid and clumsy statement. At least Bob has the inclination to come on here and clarify matters.

Whilst 6R4's are great cars PSM and the rest of the ERC clearly feel they have no place in a modern championship and rightly so.
I can understand why you want to see them race but if they cant race then thats not PSM's fault its called moving on and those owners/drivers will have to find somewhere else for them to race

PSM stated in Muttering Nudes that he wants modern shape cars, is the MK3 / 4 modern? no open your eyes fullcircle

This nothing personal against Bob but if an old shape car can still run homologated long before the Metros and other Group B cars like that then the rules are a farce and its hypocritical for PS to say what he said in MN

I am still looking forward to the Superprix for the action
And like Guffy said before how come O'Donovans car was allowed one year then not on others but now allowed back in
Are these people making the rules to suit just so they get an entry or does money talk

[Queen]

Originally Posted by M.Lowe

PSM stated in Muttering Nudes that he wants modern shape cars, is the MK3 / 4 modern? no open your eyes fullcircle

This nothing personal against Bob but if an old shape car can still run homologated long before the Metros and other Group B cars like that then the rules are a farce and its hypocritical for PS to say what he said in MN

I am still looking forward to the Superprix for the action
And like Guffy said before how come O'Donovans car was allowed one year then not on others but now allowed back in
Are these people making the rules to suit just so they get an entry or does money talk

Fully agree ask Olliy? himself

[golfvanman]

hopefully this will not effect the entry of the scandanavians but the ferry from newcastle no longer runs ascoss to sweeden, guessing this is the way they travelled last year so this might put off a few competitors..... will have to wait and see

[M.Lowe]

Sorry Queen
What I meant to say was the 306 that is now in the hands of Olly which was allowed some years then not on others despite the owners of the car at the time

But ye regarding the money situation if you where backing the event then you possibly used what you wanted to race and thats would be ok, but otherwise its beat it and compete elsewhere your car is an old shape
and not welcome because its a former group B car

[bodgit]

When did they raise the maximum enterys and who could the two euro tba's be if one of them isn't hansen?

[M.Lowe]

Having looked at a pic of Kev Procters new Focus, that is gonna be in contention for a win at the Superprix
with him and Bardy there its gonna be a good yorkshire battle

It would be good if Gollop came back out in his Focus for this one