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Old 20 Oct 2015, 12:32 (Ref:3584323)   #631
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The Ginetta was two seconds faster at the Paul Ricard race than it was at the preseason test. There is far more to this than the driver lineup.
It was still being built at the pre season test, of course its faster now.

Also worth noting that earlier in the race week Ginetta took part in the private test day.

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Old 20 Oct 2015, 19:13 (Ref:3584403)   #632
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It was still being built at the pre season test, of course its faster now.
It was also overweight prior to the Paul Ricard race weekend, which will have made a difference.
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Old 20 Oct 2015, 21:21 (Ref:3584427)   #633
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I don't recall saying the Ginetta hasn't improved. In fact I'm sure t has, because the first version of it was a bit of a under developed lump really. So of corse the Ginetta has improved. But at Estoril you had a works supported Ginetta with works drivers, versus the Ligiers first race with a new team and a group of am drivers. Of course the Ginetta won. But it hasn't stopped teams heavily criticising the Ginetta and buying cars elsewhere.
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Old 20 Oct 2015, 23:56 (Ref:3584463)   #634
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The winning Ginetta had Mike Simpson and Gaetan Paletou aboard - Mike is a Ginetta Factory driver, that's true but Gaetan was in his first year of racing as a GT Academy winner - Estoril was his first EVER race win.

As a mark of Gaetan's lack of experience his Le Mans start with Greaves was his first EVER race start in his home country!

The title winning car had Charlie Robertson and Sir Chris Hoy aboard - Charlie has had success in other racing but this was his first year in anything approaching a prototype - added to that he is 18 years old.

Chris may have more gold medals to his name than any other Briton but in racing terms he is a rookie.

Of the Ligier boys Thomas Accary is a reigning VdeV Prototype (CN) Champion and twice runner up in the FIA GT3 Championship. Gary Findlay's scored Pole positions and race wins in VdeV CN class and in Formula Ford. Eric Trouillet too has VdeV CN class podiums to his name.

This was not as unbalanced a contest as you describe!

The Ligier did well for its first race with its new team in uncharted territory but the fact remains, with experienced small prototype drivers aboard it was slower than the Ginetta and was eventually well beaten by the winning car. A wrong tyre call from LNT for the #3 car likely cost them a decent shot at a 1,2
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Old 21 Oct 2015, 05:50 (Ref:3584512)   #635
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I think the biggest problem for Ginetta is their customer support. Speed Factory were very dissatisfied with it, and now they have switched to the Ligier.
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Old 21 Oct 2015, 09:22 (Ref:3584538)   #636
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I think the biggest problem for Ginetta is their customer support. Speed Factory were very dissatisfied with it, and now they have switched to the Ligier.
Customer support has almost certainly been hampered by the rush to build enough cars. Ginetta is not experienced in supplying purpose-built racing machinery on this sort of scale in such a short period.

Doesn't help that they won't have been able to draw resources away from supporting their road cars and the one-make racecars built off them.
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Old 21 Oct 2015, 10:14 (Ref:3584542)   #637
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The problem with the Ginetta isn't necessarily it's speed, it's the build quality of the thing, it just falls far short of the quality of the Ligier and as a result is likely to be hampered by unnecessary gremlins are the km's build up. It was a rush job, I don't think there's any denying that.
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Old 21 Oct 2015, 14:07 (Ref:3584590)   #638
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The problem with the Ginetta isn't necessarily it's speed, it's the build quality of the thing, it just falls far short of the quality of the Ligier and as a result is likely to be hampered by unnecessary gremlins are the km's build up. It was a rush job, I don't think there's any denying that.

I for one hope they get it together and are not overwhelmed out of competition as I believe a series will be better with multiple different cars.
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Old 21 Oct 2015, 21:22 (Ref:3584656)   #639
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I for one hope they get it together and are not overwhelmed out of competition as I believe a series will be better with multiple different cars.
The win in Estoril will have been a confidence booster - both for Ginetta and their customers. After that showing there's no reason they can't stay competitive as long as they don't give up.
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Old 22 Oct 2015, 02:38 (Ref:3584693)   #640
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If you guys listened to MWM today, Graham mentioned this conversation about the Ginetta v. Ligier drivers in a roundabout way. I chuckled.
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Customer support has almost certainly been hampered by the rush to build enough cars. Ginetta is not experienced in supplying purpose-built racing machinery on this sort of scale in such a short period.

Doesn't help that they won't have been able to draw resources away from supporting their road cars and the one-make racecars built off them.
It's a lower level but they have experience in supplying parts for their Ginetta series.
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Old 22 Oct 2015, 12:39 (Ref:3584740)   #642
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Ginetta customer service in their one make series seems to be very good to be fair, cant imagine it being anything other in LMP3 as well.
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Old 22 Oct 2015, 14:32 (Ref:3584757)   #643
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The problem on the Ginetta could be the the same of the first cost capped Lola LMP2. I remember a few teams talking about the poor work on those frames and some bad materials used on them.
Maybe it was the same on the first Ginettas because the car was constructed in no time
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Old 22 Oct 2015, 18:43 (Ref:3584793)   #644
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Ginetta customer service in their one make series seems to be very good to be fair, cant imagine it being anything other in LMP3 as well.
The issue isn't whether or not they've done well in servicing their one-make series, it's that they have to manage the LMP3 IN ADDITION TO all of that. They've been doing the one-make thing for years - if they hadn't gotten that down to a science by now nobody would ever do business with them. But by adding the LMP3 -which is also a type of racecar they had little experience with- they've taken on EXTRA work beyond what they're set up for. That wouldn't be an issue for a big manufacturer, but Ginetta's (still) a small company. It will only be able to stretch itself so far before it breaks.

Fortunately, it does not seem that they've stretched too far here, but the early issues indicate to me that they pushed themselves VERY close to their limit.
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Old 4 Nov 2015, 08:58 (Ref:3588070)   #645
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It seems things have turned a bit sour between Ginetta and some of their LMP3 partners, specifically ORECA and the ACO. They are about to start selling a Chevy engined version of their LMP3 (called G57), and will only supply rolling chassis LMP3 spec cars to customers. Customers will have to source the engine directly from ORECA.
That's my understanding, anyway.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/1...pe-market.html

DSC's thoughts here:
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/1...o-neutral.html

Not sure where this G57 might run...
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