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Old 18 Nov 2018, 21:20 (Ref:3864041)   #26
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Nissan GTR was beaten in one race (forgot what year) Lakeside by Tony Longhurst in the M3 which was not allowed to run in it's full spec the Falcon & Commodore had a lot of freedoms and could still not match the M3

I think Mike Raymond and others have alot to answer for
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Old 18 Nov 2018, 22:37 (Ref:3864049)   #27
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Toyota TS050 Hybrid wins the 86th 24 Hours of Le Mans

Fixed that for you

While I don't think it is optimal for sportscars to be carrying hundreds of kilograms of batteries, the BMW i8, Porsche 918 and Honda NSX are the start of hybrid sportscars, the Porsche 911 will soon be going hybrid too, and eventually you'd expect other sportscars to follow hybrid trends (even USA's own Ford GT, Mustang, Dodge Viper, Corvette and Camaro?)...

Arguably the electric motors have advantages for torque vectoring (like the NSX's front axle) and torque fill (like the NSX's rear axle). Electric motors may also find their way onto the turbocharger shaft (like in F1) as a kind of anti-lag for pre-spooling on the one hand and energy recovery on the other hand.

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Old 18 Nov 2018, 23:29 (Ref:3864062)   #28
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Toyota TS050 Hybrid wins the 86th 24 Hours of Le Mans

Fixed that for you

While I don't think it is optimal for sportscars to be carrying hundreds of kilograms of batteries, the BMW i8, Porsche 918 and Honda NSX are the start of hybrid sportscars, the Porsche 911 will soon be going hybrid too, and eventually you'd expect other sportscars to follow hybrid trends (even USA's own Ford GT, Mustang, Dodge Viper, Corvette and Camaro?)...

Arguably the electric motors have advantages for torque vectoring (like the NSX's front axle) and torque fill (like the NSX's rear axle). Electric motors may also find their way onto the turbocharger shaft (like in F1) as a kind of anti-lag for pre-spooling on the one hand and energy recovery on the other hand.
The 918 in particular has really shown how, despite the extra weight, hybrid drive systems can be a great boon to sportscars. A lot of attitudes changed when people saw what the 918 could do despite being weighed down by those extra motors and batteries, while still sounding great.

The next step is a hybrid sportscar where the electric motors ALWAYS drive the wheels and the engine is exclusively an electricity generator(which, to be frank, is how ALL hybrids should work) - people who were blown away by the 918 are going to have their heads explode once someone does that.
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 02:47 (Ref:3864095)   #29
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Nissan GTR was beaten in one race (forgot what year) Lakeside by Tony Longhurst in the M3 which was not allowed to run in it's full spec the Falcon & Commodore had a lot of freedoms and could still not match the M3

I think Mike Raymond and others have alot to answer for
The GTR was beaten in a lot of races.

The GTR was the dominant car of '91 and '92, but now where near as dominant as the Sierra's were in '88 and '89.

The '91, '92 & '93 M3 spec was well above what was allowed under Group A rules, but did fall sort of full DTM spec..
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Old 19 Nov 2018, 06:44 (Ref:3864128)   #30
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The '91, '92 & '93 M3 spec was well above what was allowed under Group A rules, but did fall sort of full DTM spec..
Especially with the "special" European attitude to scrutineering.
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Old 20 Nov 2018, 03:36 (Ref:3864400)   #31
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Such so-called "fans" seem a bit thick! Albeit they could and should be mad at Ford Australia for not selling the Sierra Cosworth locally so you could have one in your driveway.
Different times that we can't judge by today's standards. it may surprise a lot of people that Nissan had a paddock full of GTR's with grass growing up around the door handles that no one wanted to buy at any price.
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Old 20 Nov 2018, 05:15 (Ref:3864409)   #32
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Different times that we can't judge by today's standards. it may surprise a lot of people that Nissan had a paddock full of GTR's with grass growing up around the door handles that no one wanted to buy at any price.
Because at $100k when interest rates were 17% the only people that could afford them were drug dealers...
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Old 20 Nov 2018, 22:26 (Ref:3864610)   #33
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Toyota TS050 Hybrid wins the 86th 24 Hours of Le Mans

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In an event where no-one else bothered to take them on. Which worryingly seems like where V8s are going...


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Especially with the "special" European attitude to scrutineering.
As in the M3 was slightly less illegal than the Sierra most of the time.
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In an event where no-one else bothered to take them on. Which worryingly seems like where V8s are going...



As in the M3 was slightly less illegal than the Sierra most of the time.
And slightly less illegal than anything with TWR on the side
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And slightly less illegal than anything with TWR on the side
I suspect that given the choice, TWR would probably have preferred to get away with build something illegal than something fast.
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