Mk2 Cortinas

[james s]

Good pictures of both CTC14E and CTC24E in Motor Sport august 2004 page39.

[Anuauto]

1966 RAC Rally winners Bengt Soderstrom and Gunnar Palm defrost their Group 2 car on the morning they should have started the 1967 RAC but for its last minute cancellation due to the spreading foot and mouth epidemic. The same registration had been carried by a blue (with gold flash) car used by Ove Andersson earlier in the year. That earlier shell was later in private hands in its original colour? Roger Clark and Graham Hill had Group 5 injected cars (T/Cs, not FVAs like the racers) for this RAC.

[jonners]

The 'CTC' sequence of cars, supposedly were all the earliest Mk 2 Lotus Cortinas and were either racers or press cars

CTC is supposed to stand for Cortina Twin Cam

CTC 24E, i believe was never reshelled. It was raced by Team Lotus in 67 and by Alan Mann in the early part of the 68 season. Of course it ran in Lotus colours for Team Lotus and then Alan Mann team colours.

One confusing point that has arisen over the years is that many people have assumed that the different colour schemes means different bodyshell and this theory has been backed up by the fact that the winscreen wipers are in different positions for the Team Lotus days and in Alan Mann colours.

This is easily explained - my mate who bought the cat twice told me that Alan Mann fitted a wiper motor from a Jumbo Jet and had to perform surgery behind the dash to fit it properly. When he bought it the second time that's the first thing he checked and it was all just as he remembered - which is graifying as in the intervening years the bulkhead had been cut away to fit a V6.

As mentioned above, the Group 5 mods on that bodyshell have to be seen to be believed and I just don't think anybody, ever, would have attempted to replicate them.

As for the UVX car this was never a Team Lotus car as far as I know. It was built at Boreham and used a very trick rear axle set up not used by Team Lotus. I say very trick because they were for the time although they became commonplace in later years with the Escorts.

This mate of mine who owned CTC 24E saw quite a few ex works cars go through his hands over the years and knew a lot about them - he also said that the UVX car went to Holland but he also commented that it was a horrible car having been been built from a prototype shell.

The interesting thing is that the UVX car is also to be seen in Alan Mann colours so there's obviously a story there somewhere.

That's enough for now - need my next dose of medicine

[jonners]

What's the racing 70's website???

Would like to have a look

anyone know who Martin Sledmore is???

[COLIN STUBBS]

racing seventies. its a brilliant record of drivers and their cars that raced [mostly] at croft autodrome in the seventies.some great pics and good memories if you were around at that time. loads more to come by all accounts as well.
www.racing70s.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

[zefarelly]

Originally Posted by jonners

As mentioned above, the Group 5 mods on that bodyshell have to be seen to be believed and I just don't think anybody, ever, would have attempted to replicate them.

wanna bet :-)


I've seen a late MK1 with coil over fron struts, turreted at an angle, a seriously modified shell . . . . I might one day when I find a rot box, a roll of welding wire and a spare month

[jonners]

Hmmm - I'm not a betting man but the surgery required to replicate ctc 24e would be extensive - i took loads of photos before the car went back to alan mann - they're not digital though, which is a shame, but they are very very interesting to a true lotus cortina believer

one mod to the back axle has got me thinking about our MK 2 hillclimber - nice way of lowering the roll centre on a live axle rear end...but might increase roll couple...but they must have known what they were doing....

many years ago i owned a genuine Mk1 shell that was believed never to have been road registered - trouble was that it had huge arches, 8" mag minilites and zillions of rosejoints at the rear. That was quite a radical one but we never did anything with it.

Sold it to a chap called Peter Wray with a load of panels and he raced it in the HSCC championship which he won outright one year I think. Infact the car has been for sale on the HSCC website for years...for a lot more than I got for it (which is quite right now that it looks respectable)

Had a look at that Croft website and that must be CTC 24e with a V6 - all of which fits together

A chap called Andy Middlehurst - sometime racer/car dealer/racing archivist for the Lotus Cortina Register had the car for sale donkeys years ago and it said in the advert that he'd replaced the bulkhead after the V6 installation

I need to get out more so i'm going out now

[Anuauto]

Graham Robson's Boreham book (seen today) says UVX565E was provided to Alan Mann for 1968 but only used for one race as Frank Gardner didn't like it and used CTC24E from then on until the Escort arrived.
It also confirms what I'd heard at the time - that UVX566E (a new car for Roger Clark for the 1967 Scottish Rally) was so badly creased at the finish the shell was immediately scrapped!
I see Croft is mentioned above. Didn't Brian Robinson use an ex-works Mk2 in northern club races?

[jonners]

Brian Robinson bought both CTC 14E & 24E from Team Lotus but sold 24E to Alan Mann in the circumstances previously described

I think Robinson was a Yorkshire chap but I think he raced 14E nationally.

14E sat in a small museum for years - absolutely unmolested, was then auctioned and purchased by - I believe - Michael Schryver who has had it restored by Simon Hadfield

Would dearly love to see it - anyone know???

[zefarelly]

Johnners: Andy Middlehurst has what is apparently a Works MK1 LC with seriously modded front struts, probably as run in 67, no idea about the rest

I know the car Peter Wray has. your statement sums up the HRSR series perfectly probably the reason the cars not worth as much as the others is its got no where else to play

[Anuauto]

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[Anuauto]

Middlehurst Group5 Mk1.
I give up on posting image.

[jonners]

There were some great underside photos of the Middlehurst group 5 car in Classic Ford some years ago - not that i read that magazine, you understand....

Clearly, the groundwork had already been done by the time CTC 14/24E were built.

Middlehurst also owned another radical MK 1 - he owned the Jim Clark road car with the +2 rear suspension - he sold it to Tom Walkinshaw along with the '64 championship winning ex works Clark car...ahem....

[Rallye33]

Originally Posted by jonners

What's the racing 70's website???

Would like to have a look

anyone know who Martin Sledmore is???

Yes, please.

[morninggents]

Almost 15 year gap between posts - is this a record?


I know Martin Sledmore very well. PM me if you still need to get in touch with him. He was the guy who put the V6 in CTC 14E.



I see my name was mentioned. I well remember buying the Cortina from Jonners back in 1988 and it turned out to be a great car which I only sold about a year ago. The increase in value was probably down to the amount of work required on the bodyshell plus the supply of a race engine and gearbox plus the innards for the diff. And I don't think it had 8 inch Minilites when I bought it. As Jonners said it had wide Escort arches front and rear which look really good on a Mk 1 Escort but don't at all suit the lines of the more angular Cortina Mk 1.

[The SpeCTator]

CTC 24E is offered for sale by Duncan Hamilton right now!
(i have no connection other than seeing the ad in this month Motorsport magazine)

https://www.dhrofgo.com/for-sale/196...ns-jacky-ickx/

A really unique racer, happy memories for me.

[Gungebucket]

I was working at Ford Competitions Dept. in 1967 and there was a MkII Cortina fitted with an FVA. Bill Meade, Pete Ashcroft and others used to try and beat each other's lap times around the Boreham the test track!! I can't recall the cars number plate though.

[GORDON STREETER]

Originally Posted by Gungebucket

I was working at Ford Competitions Dept. in 1967 and there was a MkII Cortina fitted with an FVA. Bill Meade, Pete Ashcroft and others used to try and beat each other's lap times around the Boreham the test track!! I can't recall the cars number plate though.

Did you work with David Rowe ?

[terence]

Originally Posted by jonners

Brian Robinson bought both CTC 14E & 24E from Team Lotus but sold 24E to Alan Mann in the circumstances previously described

I think Robinson was a Yorkshire chap but I think he raced 14E nationally.

14E sat in a small museum for years - absolutely unmolested, was then auctioned and purchased by - I believe - Michael Schryver who has had it restored by Simon Hadfield

Would dearly love to see it - anyone know???

When you say Small museum,do you mean Arthur Carters?
I'm sure the car mentioned was one that Arthur bought from Gerry Marshall.
It was a really good deal between them as I think Gerry was a bit short of funds at the time.
I remember the day vividly in that the car had been brush painted in maroon with a yellow flash.It was in fact one of the many cars Graham Hill had driven
Had some very nice mods done suspension wise and I think it was the BDA engine in it.
Great pleasure in sanding off that paint though.Evedence of some minor damage but no panels need replacing,as far as I could tell,it was completely original.

[Rallye33]

Originally Posted by morninggents

Almost 15 year gap between posts - is this a record?


I know Martin Sledmore very well. PM me if you still need to get in touch with him. He was the guy who put the V6 in CTC 14E.



I see my name was mentioned. I well remember buying the Cortina from Jonners back in 1988 and it turned out to be a great car which I only sold about a year ago. The increase in value was probably down to the amount of work required on the bodyshell plus the supply of a race engine and gearbox plus the innards for the diff. And I don't think it had 8 inch Minilites when I bought it. As Jonners said it had wide Escort arches front and rear which look really good on a Mk 1 Escort but don't at all suit the lines of the more angular Cortina Mk 1.

Geschätzte alle
Wie ihr alle wisst, ist der Renn-Cortina UVX 565E von Frami Racing Ende 1968 in Maastricht (NL) bei einem Brand zerstört worden.
In Zusammenarbeit mit dem letzten Eigentümer und Rennfahrer Frans Lubin werde ich (wir) UVX 565E neu aufbauen.
Da 1968 der Escort TC noch nicht fertig homologiert war, verkaufte das Team Lotus CTC 24E und Ford Motorsport Boreham UVX 565E an das Alan Mann Racing Team. Alan Mann hat beide Autos überarbeitet, ganz speziell die Hinterachse.
Da kaum Bilder von der verbauten Technik vorhanden sind, suche ich dringend Unterstützung von allen Seiten.
Ich vermute, dass CTC 24E und UVX 565E in der Zeit bei Alan Mann Racing die selben technischen Modifikationen aufwiesen.
Danke für eure Hilfe.
Reto Zielke
Mein Kontakt:
reto.zielke@gmx.ch

Goggle translate:

Dear everyone
As you all know, the racing Cortina UVX 565E from Frami Racing was destroyed in a fire at the end of 1968 in Maastricht (NL).
In cooperation with the last owner and racing driver Frans Lubin, I (we) will rebuild the UVX 565E.
Since the Escort TC was not yet fully homologated in 1968, the team Lotus sold CTC 24E and Ford Motorsport Boreham UVX 565E to the Alan Mann Racing Team. Alan Mann has redesigned both cars, especially the rear axle.
Since there are hardly any pictures of the installed technology, I am urgently looking for support from all sides.
I suspect that the CTC 24E and UVX 565E had the same technical modifications at the time with Alan Mann Racing.
Thank you for your help.
Reto Zielke
My contact:
reto.zielke@gmx.ch

[Rallye33]

Originally Posted by jonners

Hmmm - I'm not a betting man but the surgery required to replicate ctc 24e would be extensive - i took loads of photos before the car went back to alan mann - they're not digital though, which is a shame, but they are very very interesting to a true lotus cortina believer

one mod to the back axle has got me thinking about our MK 2 hillclimber - nice way of lowering the roll centre on a live axle rear end...but might increase roll couple...but they must have known what they were doing....

many years ago i owned a genuine Mk1 shell that was believed never to have been road registered - trouble was that it had huge arches, 8" mag minilites and zillions of rosejoints at the rear. That was quite a radical one but we never did anything with it.

Sold it to a chap called Peter Wray with a load of panels and he raced it in the HSCC championship which he won outright one year I think. Infact the car has been for sale on the HSCC website for years...for a lot more than I got for it (which is quite right now that it looks respectable)

Had a look at that Croft website and that must be CTC 24e with a V6 - all of which fits together

A chap called Andy Middlehurst - sometime racer/car dealer/racing archivist for the Lotus Cortina Register had the car for sale donkeys years ago and it said in the advert that he'd replaced the bulkhead after the V6 installation

I need to get out more so i'm going out now

Goggle translate:

Hello Jonners
Would it be possible to digitize the photos from CTC 24E with high quality and professionally?
Thanks for your early reply.
reto.zielke@gmx.ch
With kind regards
Reto

[Gungebucket]

Originally Posted by GORDON STREETER

Did you work with David Rowe ?

Hi, I don't remember the name David Rowe. I was only at Boreham for one year. I worked for Petrol Injection Ltd. (Tecalemit-Jackson fuel injection company), and was responsible for the T-J injection that was being used at the time.

[Rallye33]

Originally Posted by Gungebucket

I was working at Ford Competitions Dept. in 1967 and there was a MkII Cortina fitted with an FVA. Bill Meade, Pete Ashcroft and others used to try and beat each other's lap times around the Boreham the test track!! I can't recall the cars number plate though.

That was UVX 565E.

[Rallye33]

Originally Posted by jonners

Brian Robinson bought both CTC 14E & 24E from Team Lotus but sold 24E to Alan Mann in the circumstances previously described

I think Robinson was a Yorkshire chap but I think he raced 14E nationally.

14E sat in a small museum for years - absolutely unmolested, was then auctioned and purchased by - I believe - Michael Schryver who has had it restored by Simon Hadfield

Would dearly love to see it - anyone know???

CTC 14E was bought by Jost Wildbolz. He drove it a few hill climbs here in Switzerland. Due to his age, he sold the CTC 14E to London about 2 years ago. The new owner must be of Asian origin. I don't know his name yet.

[Rallye33]

Originally Posted by Gungebucket

I was working at Ford Competitions Dept. in 1967 and there was a MkII Cortina fitted with an FVA. Bill Meade, Pete Ashcroft and others used to try and beat each other's lap times around the Boreham the test track!! I can't recall the cars number plate though.

That was UVX 565E