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Old 21 Aug 2017, 16:24 (Ref:3760761)   #1
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I am after some advice and opinions on starting my own race team.

Before I start I do understand the saying how do you make a small fortune in motorsport - start with a large one!

I know I do not have enough money to fund myself going out racing on a club level. However I wanted some advice on running my own team on an arrive and drive basis, for example a Mazda mx5.

I have space and storage and a good mechanic who can work on a discounted rate.

I would be looking to run it as a small business on the side of my primary job.

What's everyone's thoughts and experience?
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Old 21 Aug 2017, 17:07 (Ref:3760770)   #2
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I run a small kart racing team and believe me if you want to prematurely age, be permanently knackered and on the edge of mental and physical exhaustion then do go ahead!

First do your maths and check that your mechanic really is prepared to work at "discounted rate" - if he does he's either no good or a mug, and you should consider ditching him. Will he be there when the car needs fixing at six o'clock on a Saturday evening, in the teeming rain, so the drivers can be on the grid in the morning? Pay him well, buy his loyalty and charge the money on to your customers.

Next insurance - people like REIS do a good team insurance and it is worth every penny to have peace of mind.

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Old 21 Aug 2017, 17:12 (Ref:3760773)   #3
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Sorry I hit "post" too soon.

Next is infrastructure. Transport for the car, shelter at the race meeting etc. I know you're only small, but drivers are your customers and you need to treat them well. You'll need to be the day before to set up ready.

I run six karts most weekends, and it's pretty hectic but huge fun. The logistics at home in the week are a headache and I couldn't do a proper job at the same time.

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The other alternative is to share the drive and halve the budget. That's different, you're not aiming to make a profit and can still get a drive yourself at a decent rate. Just be sure you have an agreement over what happens if you or the other driver bend it/break it. You need to be very good friends.

Whatever you choose, have a great time. It's really hard work but pretty rewarding mentally even if not financially in the early days. Good luck!

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Another aspect is that Arrive & Drive customers are often extremely hard on the car - if they trash the gearbox and the brakes in an afternoon it's not their problem (you can't prove it wasn't poor prep or the wrong oil or choice of pad material etc).
Far better to find a fellow clubbie to share the work and the costs with. I've done this a fair bit especially for longer endurance races and it works well.
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Another aspect is that Arrive & Drive customers are often extremely hard on the car - if they trash the gearbox and the brakes in an afternoon it's not their problem (you can't prove it wasn't poor prep or the wrong oil or choice of pad material etc).
Far better to find a fellow clubbie to share the work and the costs with. I've done this a fair bit especially for longer endurance races and it works well.
Thanks for the pointers everyone. I have limited experience in this however my normal job involves customer service and management.

Ideally I would be looking to run one Mazda mx5 in the BRSCC and maybe club endure.

I am looking at around 10k to start this up does this sound like a reasonable budget?

Midgetman would it be possible to maybe pick your brains on some more of the "business" side of it
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Old 21 Aug 2017, 21:18 (Ref:3760816)   #8
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Cost everything in minute detail - everything from the sandwich bought at the Kentagon to the costs of insuring a write-off.

When you've done that, double it and add a bit.....

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Cost everything in minute detail - everything from the sandwich bought at the Kentagon to the costs of insuring a write-off.

When you've done that, double it and add a bit.....

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and then try to find customers willing to pay the consequent high price to somebody with no track record or references or history. I'd hazard a guess that the majority of teams are started by existing drivers who have been around the block and enjoyed at least a modicum of success and also coped with failure.
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and then try to find customers willing to pay the consequent high price to somebody with no track record or references or history. I'd hazard a guess that the majority of teams are started by existing drivers who have been around the block and enjoyed at least a modicum of success and also coped with failure.
This thought has crossed my mind. Everyone has to start somewhere though surely?
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A race team is only as good as its last set of results.

Many teams grow from family teams. The driver does well, wins races, regular podium visitor, championship contender. They then expand into running a second car, or the financial pressures mean driver takes a back seat from driving for a while but still wants to be involved - both ways there is a proven history of success which paying customers are happy to be associated with.

If you don't have the track record of success, it will be hard. You'll have to undercut the opposition due to lack of experience, and hope you get some good drivers to get you the good sets of results from which to build. The driver would be looking for you on how to go faster, so unless you've done it yourself, you'll need to have ready access to someone experienced with the cars in race trim to find those 1/10ths of second.
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It starts as fun. My kart team grew out of running my son in TKM and I have a background of 30+ years in car racing and am an ARKS tester so have a head start. I started out with the intention of helping people get from indoor karting to 2-stroke, but these things have a habit of growing and I now have a lorry, a race camper, 3 trailers and 100sq m of awning. Hopefully I'll make some money for me soon!

It starts out fun. But winning means more than being on the podium. As the drivers improve they want to be 25th not 30th, that's a "win" to them. That takes commitment from you as well as them.

I don't rent karts for racing. Then we don't have the "why aren't I winning" - "because you're not paying me enough" conversation. If they're not winning I send them out to buy new equipment!

I know my place as a starter team but even so there's pressure to move forwards. We've got a little bit of success and it does help. I take it as a personal failure if we have a mechanical problem, my customers come from an A&D background and don't understand "**it happens" when you show a kart a race track. You need to make things bullet proof. What happens if they paid a few hundred pounds and the wheel falls off on the first lap and they don't get a drive? Accident damage? Does that scratch on the wing constitute damage and warrant a new panel? The driver doesn't worry about a tiny dent, but it makes the car look scruffy and can put off a new customer.

Get this clear from the outset and you'll have no problems when it happens. Be open as to what the potential costs are, motor racing is expensive and you car investment is far more than mine. I'd want to know SuperStar Fred can afford to replace my car when he totals it against a marshals' post. Make him pay the insurance - and it he can't afford that, he can't afford to mess with your livelihood.

There's a lot involved. Even just sharing your car can be very stressful!



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I must admit that one of the bonuses of being "team principal" is that the customers feed me Mind you a diet of bacon butties and chips is playing hell with my body, and the other downside is that the dads are on a "lads' weekend away" and shovel alcohol down my throat on race weekend evenings...

...best cost in for gym membership!

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If it helps, I run a design firm (in an entirely different sector, by my weekend passion is motorsports) and I'd be happy to lend some design assistance wherever it may be needed


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Thanks for that offer I will drop you a PM.

As an update I am currently in the process of viewing a few cars and am torn between running it purely as an arrive and drive or maybe entering some of the club endurance and trying to find another clubbie with a budget to gain me some experience
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