Which tyre?

[Marbot]

Let us not kid ourselves.The San Marino GP was not about subliminal driving or even superior cars.

No,it was all about those round black things!

So which of the 2 round black things will win this Sunday then.

Yes,the easiest way to turn your Ferrari into a Sauber (and vice versa) is to turn up to a GP with slightly inferior tyres.

Why should this one component be allowed to have such a significant outcome on race results?

Why didn't the FIA make things more interesting by tying the engine and tyre rules together (New engine,new tyres first race, carry them over to the second,etc).

[Adam43]

Is this a new phenomena? No.
Is it actually making the racing better or worse? Don't we need cars that have different relative pace over different parts of the GP weekend, or different conditions to enable overtaking or different winners?
Isn't it unfair that one team has better traction due to their chassis, or another a better engine, or a third better aero? Why not ban variations in these?

Finally here is a link that may be of interest: Click here.

Are you wanting to discuss whether a tyre war is good, or which tyre will be best at Barcelona?

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Are you wanting to discuss whether a tyre war is good, or which tyre will be best at Barcelona?

I think what i'm trying to say is,in a championship in which we have 10 different cars and 7 different engines,we only have 2 different tyres.It really needs 3 or 4 to make things interesting and unpredictable.

A tyre war is not a bad thing,but the current situation with Ferrari is hardly acceptable.If the tyre companies are in competition with each other,should they not play by the same rules?

Which tyre will be best in Barcelona?,not sure,but you can bet that all the top teams will be praying that it's theirs.

[Gt_R]

Quote : "the current situation with Ferrari is hardly acceptable."

When Ferrari wins with Bridgestone, it's unfair and not acceptable.

When Ferrari loses because of Bridgestone, it's because they deserve it and put themselves in that spot.

wow.

When Michelin has the advantage, it's good. When Bridgestone has the advantage..damn it is foul.

Michelin had a better tire in the first 3 races, and nobody made a noise. Bridgestone seemingly had a better tyre in Imola...and we hear complains..

play by same rules? Oh..you mean the rules that it's alright as long as Michelin gets dealt a better hand, but not the other way round?

Tyre-ing argument.

Barcelona would probably be a Michelin track... guess that must have pleased the critics.

[Gt_R]

On a proper note, Michelin had far greater mileage at Barcelona, and considering that teams like Renault, Mclaren and BAR does more testing at Barcelona as one of their main test circuits, where Ferrari do more on their 2 test circuits, i would think that every thing points to advantage-Michelin. Would be surprised if Bridgestone pulls out a magic tyre then.

And the weather seems to be warmer... another Michelin advantage.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

If the tyre companies are in competition with each other,should they not play by the same rules?

They do. However both have different philosophies behind how to do it. Not only in terms of construction and compound, but also in terms of how to work with partners. Sometimes it works better one way, someimes it works better the other. I really like that.

[Pitstop]

"So which of the 2 round black things will win this Sunday then."

Coo! and I thought there were 4 on each car..............................

[JeremySmith]

Bridgestone will win and they will be driven by Michael Schumacher..

[Skam85]

The Ferrari was quick in Imola, no doubt about it, but the tyres were suited BIG TIME to the cooler conditions. If it is warm in Spain, expect it to be even at best, maybe Ferrari just edging on pace. If it is cool conditions, best bet would be a Ferrari 1-2, and anyone's guess 3rd.

[DKGandBH]

I think it is interesting that there is a lot of talk about Ferrari and their lack of tyre testing due to them being the only good team with Bridgestone...

Previous years there were complaints that the Bridgestone tyres were tailored specifically to Ferrari...presumably using only the Ferrari testing...

Never a thought about the engine testing with Ferrari and Sauber...
Poor Renault, BAR, Williams and McLaren with less engine testing...

DKGandBH

[Adam43]

It isn't quite the same, but they can supply more than one team if they wish.

[Marbot]

This thread wasn't meant to be a Bridgestone or Ferrari bash.But it seems any time either is questioned certain members get a little upset.

I like to try and see things from a casual viewers point of view,because whether we like it or not it's because of them most of us get to see F1 racing.

What the casual viewers perception of the sport is as more effect on the sport than this Forum ever will (although i'd like to think that wasn't so ).

Currently,if pub talk is anything to go by,Ferrari and BAR are the bad boys in F1.

Ferrari,because they won't let any one else use their tyres (sort of true) and also because RB is driving last years car! (not true).

BAR,because they have a secret fuel tank which somehow enables the car to go to the end of a race without making any stops (yes i know it stopped twice,and having a fuel tank that lasts to the end of a race is not in itself illegal) and without adversly affecting performance.

So if F1 is to move forwards it needs to stop giving the impression,at least to the casual viewer,that F1 teams want to win at any costs,to themselves and to the sport.

Also,any white van driver worth his salt,would wipe the floor with the lot of them.(their words not mine).

[Gt_R]

If pub talk is anything to go by, then it only goes to show how ignorant it is to speak with one's under alcohol influence.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Gt_R

If pub talk is anything to go by, then it only goes to show how ignorant it is to speak with one's under alcohol influence.

Looks like you've had a couple yourself Gt-R .

And certainly in Ferraris case,ignorance is bliss .