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Old 4 Jul 2006, 22:23 (Ref:1648475)   #1
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One of the year's greatest events around is Elkhart Lake Wisconsin, the classic 4 mile road course "Road America" hosting the Historic Grand Prix 3-litre Formula One cars [ http://www.historicgrandprix.com/ ] in action on a course meant for all their glory.
Its a stirring sound, all those DFVs (and the occasional Ferrari and BRM) blasting through the forests, down the long straights untarnished with chicanes and the like.
This is James King in Vittorio Brambilla's March 761.

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Old 30 Jul 2006, 09:55 (Ref:1667668)   #2
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Hi Hon

One day I will get to the event as I stay in Baraboo near Madison which, of course, is in the State of Wisconsin


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Old 1 Aug 2006, 10:41 (Ref:1669793)   #3
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Perhaps, I can use this thread to encourage our North American members to tell us about their historic race events. There are some great ones, I know, so letls be seeing some threads on here to tell us about them. Would even be better with some pics!
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Old 1 Aug 2006, 10:45 (Ref:1669798)   #4
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And links to some entry lists too, occasionally? Pleeease?
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Old 6 Aug 2006, 01:59 (Ref:1674531)   #5
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Perhaps, I can use this thread to encourage our North American members to tell us about their historic race events. There are some great ones, I know, so letls be seeing some threads on here to tell us about them. Would even be better with some pics!
I don't have access to the specific entry list, but herer's a link to the HGP roster of all the cars currently registered with us and pictures of most of the drivers and their cars.

http://www.historicgrandprix.com/roster.htm
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Old 6 Aug 2006, 07:35 (Ref:1674627)   #6
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Charles, so that's where half the mid to late 70's GP cars have gone! Excellent site, thanks. Now, anyone want to report on the races/meetings? What about Sonoma at the end of August?
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Old 11 Aug 2006, 13:04 (Ref:1679953)   #7
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I don't have access to the specific entry list, but herer's a link to the HGP roster of all the cars currently registered with us and pictures of most of the drivers and their cars.

http://www.historicgrandprix.com/roster.htm
Looking at the list (pretty much the perfect collection of 3 litre F1 cars!) I was vary surprised to see March 761/8 listed as being owned by James King and originally driven by Brambilla.

761-8 is owned by Rodrigo Gallego from Portugal and has always been in Europe. It was originally driven by Mikko Kozarowitzsky, Michael Bleekemolen and Boy Hayje - then lived with Count Donhoff until Rodrigo bought it (and recently won the TGP championship with it).

Brambilla's 761 was no.1 and was written off, and he drove nos. 2 & 4 once each (2 is on the list as belonging to Howard Cherry).

Which 761 does James King have - it is the car in the opening photo, painted in Beta colours rather than 761/8s F&S properties colours?
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Old 11 Aug 2006, 17:19 (Ref:1680132)   #8
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I was at the Road America historic several weeks ago, and there is bad news and good news.

Bad news; unlike the Thirtieth Can-Am reunion there, when there was genuine win at all costs racing, that does not happen any more and rule changes have been made to make sure.
You will no longer see some well known cars,( i.e. Greenwoods original team super Vette,) as the way rules are set now, repairing race damage,or just plain wear, is incredibly expensive.

Good new; the fastest cars still lapped at respectable speeds (top speeds 35 years ago) and some boys are not out for a Sunday drive.
You will see some unexpected cars running to replace cars that are too expensive to run.
A gent had a former NASCAR Super Speedwy Modified (Think of a DeKon Monza on steriods) and if another one shows up at the same vintage meet, and the owners find 2nd place, to be first loser, it could get intereting.
(The owner of the Monza SSM, said he went ten seconds faster at Watking Glen, than he had ever gone there before, in this car, and a veteran road race hot shoe, should be able to drop another ten seconds off of that.)

As it has been from the beginning, "Vintage" racing in the US is a battle between those who want to see what these cars can really do on modern rubber, and those who want them to just go around the track and go vroom.
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Old 11 Aug 2006, 19:24 (Ref:1680199)   #9
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As it has been from the beginning, "Vintage" racing in the US is a battle between those who want to see what these cars can really do on modern rubber, and those who want them to just go around the track and go vroom.
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Bob, we don't seem to have that problem here to the same extent. Most are going for it although, of course, the huge differences in driver ability does mean that there will still be those who appear to be cruising round towards the back of the field in cars that in other hands would be at the sharp end.

It would still be great for some of you guys to report on your meetings here. We'd love to know about them.
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Old 11 Aug 2006, 19:54 (Ref:1680211)   #10
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Or in your case; some of the great racing photographers shooting some of the great racing cars? Shoot us a winner, anything you do is good.
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Looking at the list (pretty much the perfect collection of 3 litre F1 cars!) I was vary surprised to see March 761/8 listed as being owned by James King and originally driven by Brambilla.

761-8 is owned by Rodrigo Gallego from Portugal and has always been in Europe. It was originally driven by Mikko Kozarowitzsky, Michael Bleekemolen and Boy Hayje - then lived with Count Donhoff until Rodrigo bought it (and recently won the TGP championship with it).

Brambilla's 761 was no.1 and was written off, and he drove nos. 2 & 4 once each (2 is on the list as belonging to Howard Cherry).

Which 761 does James King have - it is the car in the opening photo, painted in Beta colours rather than 761/8s F&S properties colours?
While I can not speak for James directly, I can say that the car is painted in the Beta colors as shown and that James knows Brambilla quite well, has visited the shop, and, as far as I know, the car has been verified by Brambilla. We have a very close tie to Beta as they are a sponsor in part of the HGP Series. It is possible we are getting back to the "Carnet de Passage" issue and both the cars in question were/have been/are 761-08.
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Old 5 Sep 2006, 23:31 (Ref:1702830)   #12
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Next time I see James King and the 761, I'll make an image of the chassis plate and post (not, of course, proving anything!). The car driven by Howard Cherry is painted in the red/blue of First National City colors, but I'm unaware of the chassis numbers.
Jeff, good to hear from you. Hope our boys can hook up soon
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Old 8 Sep 2006, 08:47 (Ref:1704885)   #13
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Next time I see James King and the 761, I'll make an image of the chassis plate and post (not, of course, proving anything!). The car driven by Howard Cherry is painted in the red/blue of First National City colors, but I'm unaware of the chassis numbers.
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It would be interesting to know.
What surprised me was the suggestion that 761/8 had a Brambilla connection, given the history of 761/8 is very clear I assume there is a mistake in the number and James King's car is presumably a different car that does have a Brambilla/Beta connection.
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Old 9 Sep 2006, 12:01 (Ref:1705834)   #14
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I've got a complete entry list to the 2005 HGP event at Watkins Glen (as support to IRL), but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to post an Excel spreadsheet or convert it into a PhotoShop jpeg.
It does show King's 761 at Chassis 08
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Zippo US Vintage Grand Prix Entry List
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Fairbanks Bob Austin Cooper 2
Gorsline John Morris Cooper-S 3
Danovitz Fred Triumph Spitfire 05
Gentry Harry Austin Healey Sprite 7
Chima Derek MG Midget 9
Mennen Jeff Morris Cooper-S 13
Ceilley Ed Triumph Spitfire 14
Morgan Dave Austin Cooper-S 19
Lamothe Maryo Mini Cooper-S 22
Uzdavinis Peter MG Midget 25
Kinsman Lincoln Austin Cooper-S 28
Tierno Joe MGA 029
Brown Richard Triumph Spitfire 36
Hershey Ted MG Midget 37
Sambrook John Ginetta G15 38
Fuerstenberg James Morris Cooper-S 42
Smith David MGA MkII 49
Bissell Kurt Fiat 124 Sport Coupe 59
Rzepkowski Richard MG Midget 74
Andersson Ted Mini Cooper-S 76
Morrison Stephen Ginetta G15 85
Adams Edward Datsun SPL311 89
Rose Rick Ginetta G15 136
Shaffer Lawrence Austin Healey Sprite 147
Meyers Chris MGA twin cam 162
Radix Doug Mercedes 190SL 190
Shafer George MGTD 191
Powers Richard MGA 222
Baumgardner Tom MGA 254
Weissenborn Jim MGA 1600 cpe 392
Bova Paul Turner MkI 425
Zwerner John MG Midget 551
Spire William Alfa Romeo Giuliette 774
Ford Manley MGTD 776
Kresch Richard Beach 777
Coste Larry Morris Cooper-S 850
Maloumian Royden MGA 912
Little Rick Lotus 7 series 1 960
VanNordstrand Fay Zink C4 (F/V) 00
Engen Travis Chevron B17B (F/B) 1
McClenagan Robert Lotus 20/22 (F/J) 3
Jacobs David Brabham BT4 (F/1) 4
Turner Greg Merlyn Mk11A (F/F) 08
Baker Dan Brabham BT30 (F/2) 9
Bradpiece Bernard Merlyn Mk 11a (F/F) 11
Godshall Ned Lotus 61 (F/F) 12
Bridges Denney Crossle 20F (F/F) 13
Primack Marvin Lotus 18 (F/J) 16
Harrsion Gary Lotus 22 (F/J) 24
Hornig Ron Hawke DL6B (F/B) 28
Blacker Joe Brabham BT29 (F/B) 29
Kauback Kyle Lotus 61MX (F/F) 33
Bartlett William Lotus 51 (F/F) 34
Primack Matt Lotus 18 (F/J) 44
Boyd Cecil Crossle 16F (F/F) 49
Giroux Marc Brabham BT29 (F/B) 59
Fagg Charles Merlyn Mk 20A (F/F) 61
Tarradash Mike Lotus 69 (F/F) 67
Frantz Ivan Merlyn Mk 11a (F/F) 71
Greenwell Ron Lotus 61 (F/F) 75
Hughey Rick Formcar (F/V) 77
Baker Bob Brabham BT29 (F/B) 92
Ziegler John Beach T11 (F/F) 96
Ziegler Jim Beach T11 (F/F) 121
Bovenizer Bill Titan Mk3 (F/B) 144
Fairbrother Gary MGB 1
Tosler Alan MGB 01
Mally Lane Porsche 356 cpe 2
Cummings Sam Alfa Romeo GTV 3
Wismer Bob Triumph TR4 4
Danovitz Fred MGB 05
Swanson Paul Porsche 356 Speedster 8
De Minco Chris Alfa Romeo Spider 09
Ragonetti Tom Alfa Romeo Duetto 11
Scott Jason Porsche 356B cpe 14
Mullen Stephen MGB 17
Burton Dave Porsche 356C 20
Bardsley Rick Porsche 356A cpe 21
Siegel Harvey Elva Courier 22
Tillinger/Watkins Dick/Glen Datsun 2000 rdstr 33
Schuster Vic Turner Mk III 44
Lepinay Yvon Datsun 510 45
Blankenship Larry MGB 51
Gurolnick Rick Porsche 356 60
Costich Alan MGB/GT 68
Skirmants Vic Porsche 356 rdstr 70
Stockton Dick Triumph TR4 71
Stein Irving Volvo P1800 75
Kusch Michael MGB 79
Ragonetti Peter Alfa Romeo Sprint GT 88
Jones Marcus MGB 95
O'Connor Basil MGB 102
Machinist James Datsun 510 111
Vitek Andrew Datsun 2000 rdstr 123
Kubik Phil Porsche 356SC cpe 139
Shields Bill MGB 149
Allen Jim MGB/GT 151
Herman Don Datsun 2000 rdstr 157
Lightfoot Joe MGB 168
Saunders Bruce Volvo P1800 180
Navin Richard MGB 246
Moritz Dick MGB 341
Storc Bob Yenko Stinger 351
Andriesse Roger Lotus Cortina 543
Bissell Kurt Alfa Romeo Giulia 581
Targett John MGB 612
Schnabel Richard Volvo P1800 681
McCabe Charles Maserati 250F 1
Longes/Stranberg Richard/Jim Cooper T43 (F/2) 6
Cunningham Dudley Lotus Eleven 7
Evans/Horn J.D./Edo Lister Chevrolet 14
Hunter Stephen Porsche 356A cpe 18
Siegel Harvey Lola MkI 22
Williams Randy Triumph TR3A 27
Dentinger Bill Triumph TR3 29
Karon Doug Devin Chevrolet 33
Baxter Carl Jaguar XK120 38
MacEachern Brian Lotus Eleven 42
Snook Jeff Lotus Eleven 47
Smith Vars Austin Healey 100/4 56
Stadel Robert Ambro Triumph 57
Harden John Lister-Chevrolet 58
Silverman Michael Lister-Jaguar Costin 60
Westberg Nils Lotus 7, series 1 61
Silverman Syd Lister-Chevy Costin 62
Colaizzi Bob Elva Mk V 64
Roth James Elva Mk VI 88
Wechsler Bob Chev. Corvette 99
Turner Howard Lister Jaguar 161
Stein Andrew Devin ASM Special 195
Johnson Thor Lotus 17 199
Belden Dave Lotus 9 215
Konsin Steve Lester MG 284
Redlinger Don Austin Healey 100M 401
Smart Nigel Austin Healey 100/4 515
Patterson Peter Jaguar XK140 523
Harvey Bob Chev. Corvette rdstr 555
Babcock Cornell Triumph TR3 730
Fischer Fred Austin Healey 100M 810
Earle Bruce Austin Healey 100M 820
Earle Tim Austin Healey 100M 830
Mennella Ken Chev. Corvette GSR
Gonzalez Juan Elva Mk VIIS-BMW 01
Murray Bill Ford GT40 MkII 2
Johnson Thor Elva Mk VIIS-BMW 4
Simpson Jim McLaren M8C 5
Kresch Richard Elva Mk VIII-BMW 7
Stott Mike Lotus 23b 8
McNeil Sandra Lotus 23b 11
Mabey Tom Ford GT40 12
Woerheide Johan Lola T70 MkIIIb cpe 15
McClenagan Robert Brabham BT8 18
Somerville Hamish Lola T70 MkIII spyder 21
Neviaser Larry Ginetta G16 22
Ziegler Jim Bobsy SR3 24
Malone Michael Porsche 910 25
Zappa Michael Lola T212 28
Woerheide Johan Lola T70 MkII 30
Kane David Elfin Mallala 33
Higgins John Porsche 910 39
Ziegler Edward Merlyn Mk6a 40
Mettelman Ed Lotus 47 Europa 47
Carlino Richard GROPA-Chevron 51
Woerheide Johan Lola T70H 61
Colaizzi Bob Elva Mk VII 65
Nelson George Brahma 23 69
Skirmants Vic Dolphin Porsche 70
Andersson Robban Ford GT40 Mk V 80
Urciuoli Archie Ford GT40 83
Munoz Donald Lotus 23b 95
Engen Travis Lotus 23b 111
Thorson Thor Elva Mk VII 115
Yeager Tom Merlyn Mk 6 117
Meany Phil Alden F100 131
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McLaughlin Peter Lotus 23b 151
Jacobs David Alfa Romeo T33/2 Spider 220
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Hollingsworth William Lotus 23b 881
Ryan Pat Lola T70
Clark Lee Lotus 30
Henry Don Chev. Corvette rdstr 1
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