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2 Sep 2018, 01:35 (Ref:3847501) | #5902 | |
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Remember there is no indication that the eventual car will have to perfectly resemble a road model. It can just be 'brand identification'. So for example the TS060 would 'look like' a Toyota even though there is no actual road car model that resembles it. It will remain a prototype car.
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2 Sep 2018, 03:41 (Ref:3847512) | #5903 | |
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True. It'd be easier to do that then make a road car to race. But with cars like the Valkyrie they're already pretty close to the race cars. I guess we'll see. I hope Aston Martin is going to enter and run something close to the Valkyrie. The Toyota car looks like it has an lmp1 chassis already and is wrapped in a more road car like body.
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2 Sep 2018, 09:25 (Ref:3847545) | #5904 | |
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Excuse my lack of knowledge on SuperGT, but did I see a headline about a manufacturer (I think Honda?) not being happy with the new chassis? Or did I imagine that?
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2 Sep 2018, 11:33 (Ref:3847572) | #5905 | |||
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While Honda has subsequently proven that the chassis can be used to make a competitive mid-engined car, when it was first brought about they struggled quite a bit to make it work. They still won on occasions if circumstances lined up, but they were not consistently competitive for the first couple years - based on win rate, you could say they've never been terribly competitive at all under the new rules, but the Hondas do challenge for wins and podiums a lot more than they did in 2014-15. |
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2 Sep 2018, 11:43 (Ref:3847575) | #5906 | |
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If the issue is front v rear engined, then I guess that's a non-issue for the ACO as they'd just force a rear engined prototype.
However, to be honest I don't see them using this chassis. It's logically correct from what I can see, but ACO doesn't like using ideas from other organisations. It took them a long time to accept GT3, and even then they demoted it to LM Cup and don't support it as much as they could. Good idea, but ACO likes to blaze it's own trails, rather than follow in the footsteps. Which is admirable, but not always successful. |
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2 Sep 2018, 11:46 (Ref:3847577) | #5907 | |
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Some people claim the new hypercar rules are a copy of DPi though
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2 Sep 2018, 12:00 (Ref:3847579) | #5908 | |
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And of course DPi is just built off of the ACO base anyway Full circle.
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2 Sep 2018, 19:48 (Ref:3847701) | #5909 | ||||
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If they force roadcar-derived styling, I actually don't think they will. But regardless the fact that Honda makes it work at all shows that it doesn't really matter - competent designers would still make it work. Besides, there are otehr design restrictions in DTM/SGT that could be giving Honda the trouble they've had. Quote:
Completely agree. Love the idea, don't think they'll do it. They're more likely to unshackle GTE to not have to converge with GT3 than do something as monumentally intelligent as this. |
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14 Sep 2018, 18:22 (Ref:3850151) | #5910 | |
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Autosport has a story up about BMW joining in the hypercar talks. It also says the reports of Ford and Ferrari leaving are erroneous. That shouldn't surprise a few here. I wonder what comes of this. I think BMW wants to run a fuel cell and the article speaks to that, but it's even further off than these new rules.
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16 Sep 2018, 03:04 (Ref:3850483) | #5911 | |||
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https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/th...iorano.584749/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te09gHHswHY |
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16 Sep 2018, 15:33 (Ref:3850686) | #5912 | |
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Or more likely is just the FXX-K Evo package as is their history with the Clienti Corsa program. That's almost Dagys level car plus new regs plus testing equals they've committed to making a car. Come back when the regs are established and the dimensions of a road car are the basis of the racer. Quite frankly doubt they'll run that size. They will end up looking like a fat guy sat on the clay model, short, wide and ugly as a they can be
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16 Sep 2018, 21:44 (Ref:3850836) | #5913 | ||
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17 Sep 2018, 01:07 (Ref:3850900) | #5914 | |
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Remember the previous FXX test mule from 2013? It still remains a bit of a mystery.
In 2013 there was this video and then some spy pics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od3H6Jxisfk https://i.imgur.com/H15EEnP.jpg In the museum at Maranello? they say it was a test mule for FXX K and for "hypothetical enclosed wheel car championships". They also claim it has a V12 engine, but the engine in that video above certainly is not a V12 (sounds like the F1 V6). https://i.imgur.com/iQZgFw8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/0ttYKuA.jpg |
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17 Sep 2018, 04:04 (Ref:3850921) | #5915 | |||
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http://autosprint.corrieredellosport..._il_prototipo_ The prototype was a longer Laferrari with longer wheelbase and with a trunk similar to a 458 GTE at that time. Anyway at that time a car in the form of hypercar would not have been competitive and now with future rules is to be assumed that yes. |
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18 Sep 2018, 14:46 (Ref:3851285) | #5916 | ||
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That FXX K is not hanging around through that long curve at the start of the video! Call me old fashioned, but I love a bit of wild prototype based speculation.
The BMW fuel cell thing has been going around for years. I remember hearing that they wanted to come to the current generation of LMP1 with a fuel cell ages ago, probably on here! |
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18 Sep 2018, 17:53 (Ref:3851307) | #5917 | |
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Yup, for pretty much an entire day with the new FXX-K that's based on with it. Next to each other it actually makes the FXX (Enzo) seem flattened, and it was close in size to the 599XX. And sounded terrible but that's 2 V12s (and F1 cars) to make it sound the worst of the day.
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21 Sep 2018, 19:30 (Ref:3851856) | #5920 | |
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How dare you question the almighty directors of Aston Martin? Course they keep thinking Lagonda is a line of cars that won't kill their momentum, oh wait hasn't it done that before?
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25 Sep 2018, 15:02 (Ref:3852637) | #5921 | ||
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BMW Motorsport director Jens Marquardt says more “clarity” is needed on the FIA and ACO’s ‘Hypercar’ regulations amid tight deadlines for manufacturers looking to commit to the new top-level prototype platform.
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...hypercar-regs/ A decision on a McLaren ‘Hypercar’ program will come by early next year according to McLaren Racing CEO Zak Brown, who has continued to give high praise to the FIA and ACO’s new top class formula. https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...rly-next-year/ |
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26 Sep 2018, 14:00 (Ref:3852783) | #5922 | ||
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There are a worrying number of people that seem to think that Company X making a hypercar (car faster than a supercar) means that they are making a hypercar (LMP1 thingy for Le Mans).
I can't possibly imagine why that could be confusing. |
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26 Sep 2018, 14:49 (Ref:3852788) | #5923 | |
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Related, so many people seem to think a car for this class needs to be based on a road car. In that regard the 'hypercar' name is dreadful.
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26 Sep 2018, 14:59 (Ref:3852792) | #5924 | ||
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On that, I do agree. Pure hype.....
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9 Oct 2018, 18:45 (Ref:3855735) | #5925 | |
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http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/1...gulations.html
Whilst more detail on the timeline and specific content of the ‘Hypercar’ regs are expected shortly, Fillon again talked of current discussions with ‘five or six’ manufacturers over the regulations and showed a new concept drawing again emphasising the road car styling cues likely to feature in the new manufacturer-led category. Beyond that there was more detail of the work now underway on the zero-emissions project, Fillon revealing that five manufacturers are currently working with the ACO (plus an undisclosed number of equipment/ component suppliers) to define the 2024 regulatory framework. |
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