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Old 9 Aug 2003, 14:19 (Ref:683700)   #1
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It seemed that everybody was against the qustionable 20mph speed limit in the Snet pit lane-yes safety is upermost but...many of those cars have great difficulty driving at 20 mph even in 1st gear-maybe 25 or 30 mph but 20 is extremely tiresome on the cars surely! Also, would it not be possible for the strating driver to be nominated WELL before the start for us journo's and the commentators to be informed unlike Snet' where Brian Jones "etc" more often than not talked about the wrong driver out in the car.
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Old 9 Aug 2003, 14:19 (Ref:683701)   #2
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Should read "Starting" driver.
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Old 10 Aug 2003, 16:18 (Ref:684300)   #3
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It seemed that everybody was against the qustionable 20mph speed limit in the Snet pit lane-yes safety is upermost but...many of those cars have great difficulty driving at 20 mph even in 1st gear-maybe 25 or 30 mph but 20 is extremely tiresome on the cars surely! Also, would it not be possible for the strating driver to be nominated WELL before the start for us journo's and the commentators to be informed unlike Snet' where Brian Jones "etc" more often than not talked about the wrong driver out in the car.
Hi can i just agree on the subject of pit lane speed limits , my data log on the Integra only starts at about 14 mph and is pretty inacurrate at such low speed , also my diff is trying hard to lock itself up all the way up the pit lane at those speeds, somewhere between 40-50 mph would be sensible after all the Britcars drivers are no muppetts they are more than capable of keeping it safe in the pitlane .
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Old 10 Aug 2003, 17:05 (Ref:684326)   #4
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Hi John...
when we get to our full grids there will be 450 people in the pit lane.....no-one thinks of the drivers as muppets
but when the first person gets hurt or worse you can make the phone call....one driver was very very nearly run down
at the 4 hr, if it had been 30mph he would have been sitting with his leg up....at the ring in the 24hr there 7000 staff and it is as safe as we are going to make our pit lane....25mph is being discussed with the MSA safety officer, but I am against it.
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Old 10 Aug 2003, 20:54 (Ref:684500)   #5
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Watching the BTCC live from Snetterton on TV yesterday evening, my 16-year old son, now a seasoned veteran of the Britcar pitlane, was appalled at the speeds that the tourers entered and left. I reminded him that the TOCA pitlane is more tightly controlled regarding personnel (I believe that pit-wall staff are limited, and not allowed to move once there). As a non-driver, I enjoy the freedom to roam (always safely, and with due consideration for those with a proper job to do).
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Old 10 Aug 2003, 21:52 (Ref:684552)   #6
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Watching the BTCC live from Snetterton on TV yesterday evening, my 16-year old son, now a seasoned veteran of the Britcar pitlane, was appalled at the speeds that the tourers entered and left. I reminded him that the TOCA pitlane is more tightly controlled regarding personnel (I believe that pit-wall staff are limited, and not allowed to move once there). As a non-driver, I enjoy the freedom to roam (always safely, and with due consideration for those with a proper job to do).
Steve, you are correct, TOCA pit personel are not allowed to cross the lane without an officials permission to do so. This keeps the lane a lot safer. Pit lanes are crowded, you only have to look at Spa to realise how bad it can sometimes get.

As an occasional photographer in the Britcar pitlane, it is very crowded, but because of the low speed very safe. While I feel that 20mph can be seen to be too slow, in a crowded lane like Britcar has it is imperitive to maintain pit safety.
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Old 10 Aug 2003, 22:31 (Ref:684569)   #7
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A good number of drivers at the last round were seemingly at the correct speed while a good few that I watched were doing at least 30mph (ish) and got no penalty or talking to. This was noted by a number of other people...maybe the bloke with the speed gun often went to sleep or had been payed with a few drinks beforehand! Anyway, it didn't seem to be...how can we say...applied fairly at all times!!
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Old 11 Aug 2003, 07:22 (Ref:684720)   #8
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I used to think that 20 was too slow,

Having now been though the pit lane at Snett some half dozen times last race, I can say it's about right, there are just too many people about for any more speed..

Only place where this would be a real issue is Silverstone, due the the overall lenght of the pit lane, and from memory, the 20 limit was not the entire pit lane lenght...
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Old 11 Aug 2003, 12:27 (Ref:684949)   #9
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when we get to our full grids there will be 450 people in the pit lane.....no-one thinks of the drivers as muppets
but when the first person gets hurt or worse you can make the phone call....one driver was very very nearly run down
at the 4 hr, if it had been 30mph he would have been sitting with his leg up....at the ring in the 24hr there 7000 staff and it is as safe as we are going to make our pit lane....25mph is being discussed with the MSA safety officer, but I am against it.
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Hi James thanks for the reply and i do take your point , i suppose i am more used to the 45mph we run at TOCA events but given a bit of thought there are a lot fewer people . But please spare a thought for that locking diff and go with that 25mph
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Old 11 Aug 2003, 13:59 (Ref:685058)   #10
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I think the speed limit is for the best, but it is sooooo hard to keep to especially when most of the cars do not have speedos. I guess the usual go as slow as possible applies, that said I still got a stop go penalty in the four hour at snet for 31 mph! oops!
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Old 11 Aug 2003, 15:28 (Ref:685146)   #11
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Pardon my ignorance, but do pit lane speed limits only apply to series that take mandatory pit stops, or do they apply across the board, but to a lesser or greater degree ?

If, as Wyzard says, your car has no speedo, how do you succesfully limit your speed without a limiter/governor, and how much tolerance do the officials apply ?
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Old 11 Aug 2003, 17:07 (Ref:685215)   #12
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Can I add another question to Steve's collection? Why are there so many people in the pit lane? IMO a pit lane is a place of danger no matter what speed limit is in place.
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Old 12 Aug 2003, 07:45 (Ref:685844)   #13
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Steve,
I've never seen a pit-lane speed limit applied at a meeting where mandatory pit stops aren't required. I believe there is a something in the regs about driving at a reasonable speed, although I haven't heard of anyone being pulled up for breaking that, and generally I think most people are sensible about it. You are right, without a speedo or custom built device the driver would have little idea of his speed in terms of miles per hour, although his judgement of what is safe could still be applied.
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Old 13 Aug 2003, 01:05 (Ref:686787)   #14
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when i used to kart, there was no speed limit in the pitlane, and there were regularly people crossing the hot pits to the wall but because of the nature of all of it it wasn''t a real safey issue most times although once in a while someoone would make a dumb move. From my car racing experience with rules that read reasonable, I think that that is to open for interpretation whether or not pit stops are required. With the small pitlanes we see, there are just to many people for anyhing but the lowest reasonable limit, however I also realize the problems face by people with no speedo or with locking diffs
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Old 13 Aug 2003, 10:22 (Ref:686971)   #15
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I've been pulled up once at Snetterton for speeding in the pit lane at a BRSCC meeting. They marshals could not tell me what the limit was other than I had been percieved to be going too quickly !!
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