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Old 6 Apr 2017, 20:31 (Ref:3724231)   #2521
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Everybody is evaluating everything. That's just the usual S365 nonsense. The quotes actually say "No, not now. Maybe in a few years, we'll see." which is the same thing every car manufacturer says about every series, and the headline from that is basically Audi are returning.
Exactly. Nearly every manufacturer with a GT3 car(and even a couple that don't) has "evaluated" DPi at least a little bit. HEck, a pretty big deal was amde out of Bentley and Alfa Romeo "evaluating" DPi, but those evaluations have ultimately gone nowhere.

As far as I'm concerned, a manufacturer "evaluating" something is not particularly newsworthy. Audi has probably even "evaluated" NASCAR at some point in their motorsport program's history - doesn't mean they ever seriously were considering entering.

When they announce(or a reliable someone leaks) that they're ACTIVELY working on a program, THAT'S intriguing information.

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DPi is a silly cheap way to have a manufacture representation for marketing purposes.
You've hit the nail on the head for why so many manufacturers have undertaken an evaluation of DPi. But low cost isn't automatically attractive - if it was, we'd have probably have the GT3 manufacturers backing DPi programs.

On the flip side, this same cheapness is what makes ESM-style programs possible. I think going forward, most new DPi programs will effectively be glorified privateer entries.

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Old 6 Apr 2017, 23:39 (Ref:3724248)   #2522
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Yeah I think this story deserves about as much credibility as the Peugeot looking at P1 rumors. While it would be cool, i'm not holding my breath.
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Old 7 Apr 2017, 10:59 (Ref:3724316)   #2523
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When Audi announce a DPi program, then I'll get excited. I'm not getting my hopes and excitement up based on a misleading headline.
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Old 7 Apr 2017, 12:06 (Ref:3724332)   #2524
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When Audi announce a DPi program, then I'll get excited. I'm not getting my hopes and excitement up based on a misleading headline.
Personally I would love to see it happen, Audi have several engine platforms which they could throw in at a moments notice and easy be ready for 2018:

GT3 based 5.2L V10 - 570bhp....probably a bit heavy, but the correct capacity for sure

DTM based 4.0L V8 - 500hp.....probably ideal, but lacking capacity compared to Caddys, but its ready

Or just throwing it out there, it would need to have Technology behind it for Audi to compete, so as a wild card I would say Audis new I5 cylinder 2.5L turbo.....it would sound truly epic....and bring back days of the Audi-IMSA cars driven by Walter-Stroll.....the sound, oh the sound.....I would crawl over broken glass to hear that motor - proper race motor.

turn the volume up and listen to this, start from about 2 minutes in

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Personally I would love to see it happen, Audi have several engine platforms which they could throw in at a moments notice and easy be ready for 2018:

GT3 based 5.2L V10 - 570bhp....probably a bit heavy, but the correct capacity for sure

DTM based 4.0L V8 - 500hp.....probably ideal, but lacking capacity compared to Caddys, but its ready

Or just throwing it out there, it would need to have Technology behind it for Audi to compete, so as a wild card I would say Audis new I5 cylinder 2.5L turbo.....it would sound truly epic....and bring back days of the Audi-IMSA cars driven by Walter-Stroll.....the sound, oh the sound.....I would crawl over broken glass to hear that motor - proper race motor.

turn the volume up and listen to this, start from about 2 minutes in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOkeGOJ_dHY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjiM-yIdYic
Why does this continue to be brought up? Outside of the P1 car, nothing they did racing-wise has been done to promote tech. GT3, TT-S Cup, DTM, Rallycross, TCR, etc. None of those things showcase ground-breaking tech or the want to push forward. Hell, Audi may just want to do something normal and inexpensive for once.
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Old 7 Apr 2017, 14:17 (Ref:3724354)   #2526
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Still waiting for the DP car they were evaluating years ago - this is another believe it when you see it.
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Right, it'll be a marketing exercise, solely for the N-A market (and therefor funding probably has to come from Audi N-A with drivers being supplied by Audi Sport) to boost Audi's image against Cadillac. No more, no less.

It's not rocket science, is it?

Will it happen? I don't know but I certainly hope so. I'd say the chances of Audi coming up with a DPi program are far greater than a P1 return in a couple of years. That big-money-spending-ship has sailed. Face the reality folks.
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Old 7 Apr 2017, 21:13 (Ref:3724453)   #2528
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I don't think that the big money ship has sailed for VAG considering that if anything Porsche are spending more than ever on the WEC with a LMP1 and factory GTE program. On the Audi end, even with dieselgate, they're still one of VAG's more profitable brands.

Not to mention that if Audi want to have a racing program based around hydrogen tech, it'll have to be in LMP1. F1 or DPI have no provisions for such things, also considering that outside of customer focused programs, Audi Sport have preferred to do development oriented programs. Like the entire life of their LMP program.

Audi have either done racing usually either for road relevance/production based racing, or R&D purposes. Only exceptions are DTM (German National Pride), and Formula E, which is in part to save face with dieselgate, and as a makework for a possible LMP1 return in my opinion.

Also, if Audi Sport support a DPI program, Audi of America will have to pay for it. And they're the ones who are most directly involved with the settlements over dieselgate, not to mention that they've been loathe to support a NA centric program over the years, which is what lead to Audi leaving the ALMS after '08.

Also notice that Audi have tended in recent times to leave a program or series as far as road racing about every 8 years, usually when they've exhausted a program as far as it's immediate usefulness? Audi left the ALMS after they achieved their goals with the R10. Also, Audi pretty much exhausted their TDI diesel tech as far as LMP went without a major re-think of their engine concept due to them running 8+MJ would've meant 2 ERS systems, something they couldn't do with the diesel engine as it was without risking an overweight car.

Only other solution was to run a gasoline engine which would've been redundant given what Porsche has been up to. Even if you ask the drivers, they were surprised about the when, not the if, of the conclusion of the Audi Sport LMP program for the foreseeable future.

DPI might be a make work for Joest and Audi Sport if someone pays for it, but just like Audi in F1, Audi leaving LMP, or Audi coming back to LMP, I'll believe it when I see it. However, given what the recent trends at Audi and Audi Sport have been, a LMP1 return in 2020 might be more likely than DPI, and especially F1.

For this, maybe the Audi Sport LMP1 thread needs resurrected.
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Old 8 Apr 2017, 04:07 (Ref:3724509)   #2529
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Penske could've run a program for Audi in the ALMS in 2010 or '11, but he and AOA wouldn't foot the bill. Then last year he was told that Audi didn't want to run the R18s in private hands, partly because of dieselgate, and if the factory team could barely cope with the car's temperamental hybrid system, how could a private team expect to run the cars without essentially becoming a factory team?
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Penske could've run a program for Audi in the ALMS in 2010 or '11, but he and AOA wouldn't foot the bill. Then last year he was told that Audi didn't want to run the R18s in private hands, partly because of dieselgate, and if the factory team could barely cope with the car's temperamental hybrid system, how could a private team expect to run the cars without essentially becoming a factory team?
So you expect that an Audi DPi would run a temperamental hybrid system?





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Personally I would love to see it happen, Audi have several engine platforms which they could throw in at a moments notice and easy be ready for 2018:

GT3 based 5.2L V10 - 570bhp....probably a bit heavy, but the correct capacity for sure

DTM based 4.0L V8 - 500hp.....probably ideal, but lacking capacity compared to Caddys, but its ready

Or just throwing it out there, it would need to have Technology behind it for Audi to compete, so as a wild card I would say Audis new I5 cylinder 2.5L turbo.....it would sound truly epic....and bring back days of the Audi-IMSA cars driven by Walter-Stroll.....the sound, oh the sound.....I would crawl over broken glass to hear that motor - proper race motor.

turn the volume up and listen to this, start from about 2 minutes in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOkeGOJ_dHY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjiM-yIdYic

dtm 4.0 would be required to push it to 9000rpm or more to get close to 600hp (dtm revs up to 7500rpm) and being an engine almost 15 years old, don't think has a great fuel milliage/efficiency (if memory helps me, audi v8 dtm engine is a reworked irl honda unit). Not great torque release too.

Huracan/R8 engine has DI and pushes over 600hp @ about 8500rpm. Of course, like gibson, it lacks of low end torque, but at least has shown to be very reliable in gt3 trim (that revs up to 8500rpm but about 520hp).

The wisest pick would be the 4.0 V8 twin turbo that powers bentley gt3... but (don't know if engines rules have been changed this fall) as far I know turbo V8 are not allowed in P class
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and if the factory team could barely cope with the car's temperamental hybrid system
Temperamental? When? Where?

I remember it being rather reliable.
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So you expect that an Audi DPi would run a temperamental hybrid system?





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No, but again, someone else misses my point. Audi Sport won't foot a DPI bill out of their own pockets. It'll have to be Audi of America, who in the past have done little to fund any North American program, or Penske will have to do it himself, or whoever decides to do it. Any support that Audi will throw their way will be a token gesture, just like Nissan with ESM. Basically stickers and an engine, which as proven by ESM/Nissan and Cadillac/GM, is largely what's needed.

Not to mention that DPI goes against everything that Audi have stood for in prototype racing (development/R&D, minimal BOP, things that the DPI formula hasn't embraced and in fact has done the opposite).

And besides, Penske was the one who approached Audi Sport about running their R18s in the WEC and LM this year, and was turned down because of dieselgate and Audi's own problems with the car that they could barely manage.

If they want to market a production based car, they'll race a production based car. And they already do with the R8, RS3 and S1.
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