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Old 25 May 2000, 20:21 (Ref:2741)   #1
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Hot on the heels of kmchow's stunning Autosport-derived BTTC announcement last week, I have more news...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>BTCC adopts low-cost rules approach

British Touring Car Championship bosses have chosen a low-cost Super Touring formula to be the future of Britains premier tin-top category.
The decision ends months of speculation, and allows teams and manufacturers to plan ahead for 2001
According to BMP director Rob Bain: "We've almost taken the original 2001 regulations and worked backwards."
The new format will retain two-litre engines, but power will likely be around 270bhp, as apposed to the current 300bhp. Unlike the previous 2001 regulations, five and six-cylinder engines will be permitted in addition to the usual four-cylinder units.
A number of specified parts will be common to all cars, including a six-speed sequential gearbox.
All will use 17in wheels, 2in smaller than the current ST specification, but 2in bigger than a super production car.
An aerodynamic package has not been decided upon, but a cosmetic airdam and rear wing is almost certainly under consideration. Front wheel arches could also be modified.
Suspension will be road based, but some modifications will be permitted to strengthen key parts.
The changes are expected to slow lap times by four to five seconds.
"Manufacturers need value for mone," said Bain. It is hoped a new car will cost no more than £120,000.
Honda motorsport manager William de Braekeleer welcomed the regulations, but has not committed to them. "It's a good direction. At the moment I can't say if we'll participate - that's up to Honda UK." he said.
Leading independant Matt Neal has also backed the new regulations. They will allow his Team Dynamics outfit to buy cars direct from the manufacturers. However, as Neal pointed out: "You're still going to be against the big boys, and without putting myself down, they'll be employing the cream of the drivers."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you think? Are you happy with that? We've debated it to heck, and they've decided.

I think they're good. My only gripe is that they might allow front wheel arches to be modified. The wheels are 17in, the cars probably won't be as low (on road-derived suspension) so why bother?

What about the re-introduction of 5 and six cylinder powerplants? What other manufacturers could you see wanting to get involved? Who makes a 2-litre 6-pot?

Whaddya think?
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Old 25 May 2000, 20:49 (Ref:2742)   #2
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Class B ?

RWD ? 4WD ?

BMW ? Audi ? Alfa ? Peugeot ? Nissan ? Volvo ? Renault ? Mazda ? Rover ? Toyota ?

Lots of questions to answer...

There was a brief mention that Peugeot are considering re-entering the BTCC in 2001 - and are expecting 25-30 car grids. If this is the case, can't wait!

I have to say though that I am considerably more confident in the future of the series under BMP than Gow...
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Old 25 May 2000, 21:23 (Ref:2743)   #3
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Yes, FB. Many questions left unanswered...

And BMP... I'll second that promotion!
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Old 26 May 2000, 01:11 (Ref:2744)   #4
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Thanks for the latest update Sparky!

Hmmm, so does the rules look a lot like the '92 Class 2 rules. Looks like a pretty balanced--between street and race--set of rules. I hope all the automakers come back.

But will BMP require the entries be sedan based? I'm not too keen on seeing coupes/hatchbacks anymore! Biased/stubborn #@&% ain't I?? ;-)

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Old 26 May 2000, 01:43 (Ref:2745)   #5
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I think it's generally accepted that ST cars are four door sedans.
There are plenty of classes for pseudo sports cars!

Let the saloons play!
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Old 26 May 2000, 02:37 (Ref:2746)   #6
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17 inch wheels? Bah! 18 inch atleast! Even amature racing in the U.S. uses 17 inch wheels, and most of em look like there 15's! The BTCC cars will look like a body builder, thats got 2 inch round legs!

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Old 26 May 2000, 07:22 (Ref:2747)   #7
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Never going to happen - Honda haven't even committed themselves!!! Sorry to be very pessimistic guys, but I just can't see it, which manufacturer is going to sign up??
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Old 26 May 2000, 23:49 (Ref:2748)   #8
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Sparky wrote:

&gt;I think it's generally accepted that ST &gt;cars are four door sedans.
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I ask that b/c in a recent related article, Pug said they were interested in bringing their 306 h/b to race, and making cars available to privateers as well.

&gt;There are plenty of classes for pseudo &gt;sports cars!
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A big AMEN to that comment!!

&gt;Let the saloons play!
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Yeahh!!!

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Old 27 May 2000, 00:03 (Ref:2749)   #9
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kmchow, BMP are to relax the minimum length requirement by 50mm, so as to allow a whole new breed of car into the fray. There are planty of cars just inside the current 4.2m length regs. Peugeot will likely use the five-door 307 hatch, which is the 306 replacement due next year.

Using hatches is nothing new of course. Do you remember the 'discussion' Peter Mallett and I had over the 'DGH' phenomenon? The 'Dirty Great Hole' as found at the rear of any hatch worth it's salt.

I maintained that Ford had reverted to the four-door saloon, in a bid to alleviate and 'flex' in the less-torsionally rigid hatch bodyshell.
Peter was adamant that it was all down to aero gains, butwe never really sorted it out. We both conceded a little ground, but I sense a return to the good old days of heart-felt debate!

Whaddya reckon, Pete?
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Old 27 May 2000, 16:28 (Ref:2750)   #10
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I'm glad the wheels aren't going to be as small as class B - those cars look pretty stupid - but I guess that's not really the point. What we want is close racing and the current teams to stay, with new drivers/marques joining or re-joining. There are still questions to be answered like Fatbloke said, but it's looking good for now.
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Old 27 May 2000, 17:27 (Ref:2751)   #11
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Sparky wrote:

&gt;There are planty of cars just inside the &gt;current 4.2m length regs. Peugeot will &gt;likely use the five-door 307 hatch, which &gt;is the 306 replacement due next year.
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I hope you're right, I hate to see VW bugs, h/bs and coupes spoiling our fun!!! Yeah, I recall the older Civics/Sentra/Protege were below the minimum length requirement but was still allowed to race in the JTCC.

I recall the great DGH debate. Let's compromise and say it was probably a combination of both? =)

Wish they would run 18" wheels, that would still be a compromise? OTOH, I guess the jump in wheel size causes a disproportionate jump in cost.

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Old 27 May 2000, 17:48 (Ref:2752)   #12
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That's exactly right kmchow, using the 17's restricts not only, as you say the cost of wheels, but tyres and more importantly, brakes too.

One other thing to remember, 17in wheels haven't been used for a long time in ST, so every team can rest assured that no team has any telemtry or tyre data that will be of any use. This is possibly more important the the cost issue. Initially we can expect to see very close racing with all new set-up.

You're also right about the length 'thing' - I'd hate the BTTC to get any TLC...

Tiny Little Cars!!!
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Old 27 May 2000, 21:29 (Ref:2753)   #13
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I would also hate to see silly little cars in the BTCC, But I would like to see a greater number and variety of cars in the races!

I'm chuffed to bits that they have gone for a form of Super Tourer rather than Super Production. Now lets hope for close and exciting racing next year!

Wouldn't mind some of it this year either
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Old 28 May 2000, 23:34 (Ref:2754)   #14
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I've read a lot about what people have been sayin about the future and beyond, and I thought I'd throw my opinon's in for a grillin.

I'm sorry if non of you agree with me but I absolutly loved the last breed of ST's with TWR's S40's with there big rims, wings and front arches being my all time fav.

But, things move on and seem to move in cycles, the new rules after much speculation are finally here and I think that they seem pretty good myself.

A drop in speed and lap times does not bother me at all, I don't really care if someones just done a 1min 30 or whatever, I just want to see close racing, by cars that look like and sound like the baddest road cars you have ever seen.

Larger rims are a must and 17's are fine, If a car ain't any lower than a std. road car so what?. Theres been a lot said about wings and splitters but I think that when a car ain't got them, it don't look good. If they stick some on that just makes the car look pretty thats a lot better than non at all.

I hope to see much larger grids now and new and old school manufacturers and more priveteers come and race, but I don't want to see 306's against Accords, one size please or sepperate classes.

The NSC is good and I love the racing they put on, but as before the lack of wings, large rims an differant size motors is a down side but I'd love to see that series become a feeder to the new style BTCC.

I must say I'm supprised BMP have opted for these rules, and i'd like to see if these will become the FIA bench mark, who knows?

I am expecting some 'Ed quoted such an such' so do ya worse.

ha,ha

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I have one word to say on Eddie_harasym's comments and that's "DITTO!".

I'm kinda not suprised BMP went with Class 2-ish rules since going SP would class with the established NSC. And you wouldn't want that. Furthermore, the BTCC IS the PREMIERE touring car series in England if not Europe!
Last statement could be challenged now that DTM is back! ;-)


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