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Old 3 Dec 2019, 04:21 (Ref:3944444)   #541
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Isn't that the Australian Veskanda . Quite a unique car.
I remember the car well, as I do the time the World Sports cars came to Sandown '1000' in 1984.... they buggered up the original track layout by adding a Mickey Mouse section at the end of the back straight to bring the track length up to the requirement for the World Championship of Makes regs. They called it the International Circuit. It was a horrid change and took away the fast left hand sweeper (a real tighten your belts big cohones test of courage) from the back straight down to Dandenong Road Corner, replacing it with a horrible hairpin.

Stefan Bellof and Derek Bell in their Rothmans Porsche 956 won what was a one off race down here.(The next two events were cancelled). I recall Jack Brabham, Alan Jones and Vern Schuppan also ran in factory Porsches. I also remember the race, scheduled to be 1000 klms had to be shortened by a big chunk because the Mickey Mouse bit added so much to the lap time (20sec/lap) that the race ran over the 6 hour time limit, losing about 200 klms from memory. It went from 8 turns to 13 turns, two of which were hairpins with two other tight turns.
As an aside I think the Veskanda did not make the race but was built primarily to take part in the cancelled 1985 event. It was built for a local photographer, Bernie Van Elsen by K&A Engineering. (Hence the name - Van Elsen Special K AND A
It did however clean up in the local Sports Car Championship with John Bowe at the wheel and is still considered the fastest ever Aussie made sportscar. It did however get to race against the Porsche 956 many years later in the 2011 Phillip Island Historics. I think it also ran in a Le Mans Legends race and also Sandown Historics, and Paul Stubber (who Iain met at P.I) ran it at Nurburgring a few years ago.

Video of the car at the 'Ring : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sylgz-AwJCc

Unfortunately we had to live with the Mickey Mouse section for too many years after, with it being changed back not until about 1990..

I wont post a pic of the layout here to not detract from the thread, (I feel guilty of that already with this waffle) but for those interested you can see what I mean here:
https://www.racingcircuits.info/asse...dbed8dcc4e.png
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Old 3 Dec 2019, 06:19 (Ref:3944449)   #542
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Not waffle, E.B! This thread is as much about education as looking at nice photos, even if that wasnít Bobís intention!

Presume the Veskanda runs an American V8?
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Old 3 Dec 2019, 07:27 (Ref:3944452)   #543
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Bob's Modern Dozen hits the spot OK!

And yes I did recognise Sir Bauble and Mr Moss!

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Old 3 Dec 2019, 08:02 (Ref:3944456)   #544
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Not waffle, E.B! This thread is as much about education as looking at nice photos, even if that wasnít Bobís intention!

Presume the Veskanda runs an American V8?
Mike, you are right on both counts, I did not envisage much more than posting a few pictures before the idea faded away, however, the 'viewing figures' took me by surprise. Over 10,000 in three weeks!

It seems pictures are popular, and if they awaken old memories, and generate interest in times gone by, then that is fine by me, as I have stated before many are just pictures from the archive. In a lot of cases I have no idea what they are, but there is always some Clever Dick who does. A lot of Clever Dicks lurk around the Historic Forum.

Great memories EB, no probs. cobber.
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Bob's Modern Dozen hits the spot OK!

And yes I did recognise Sir Bauble and Mr Moss!

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Just looking back at the picture posts , the brown 3000 Capri was driven by Nigel Barnett, he became famous on the 1998 Rally GB. On the Millbrook stage Nigel was competing on an historic rally prior to the main event. The imp he was driving thew lots of oil onto the stage. When the main event came though Tommi Makkinen in an Evo hit the oil & a concrete block burstig a tyre & doing damage to the back of the car. Makkinen continued on 3 wheels until stopped by the Police and retired. Makkinen was in contention to win the World Championship untill then. All Carlos Sainz had to do was finish in the top 4 to be champion, he retired on the last stage leaving Richard Burns to win & Makkinen to be World Champion.
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Just looking back at the picture posts , the brown 3000 Capri was driven by Nigel Barnett, he became famous on the 1998 Rally GB. On the Millbrook stage Nigel was competing on an historic rally prior to the main event. The imp he was driving thew lots of oil onto the stage. When the main event came though Tommi Makkinen in an Evo hit the oil & a concrete block burstig a tyre & doing damage to the back of the car. Makkinen continued on 3 wheels until stopped by the Police and retired. Makkinen was in contention to win the World Championship untill then. All Carlos Sainz had to do was finish in the top 4 to be champion, he retired on the last stage leaving Richard Burns to win & Makkinen to be World Champion.
I remember that happening. IIRC it more than burst the tyre, I think it may even have ripped the rear hub off too. I'm sure the BBC film crew actually had footage of him being stopped by the police!
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Old 3 Dec 2019, 10:35 (Ref:3944484)   #548
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Could not remember if the came of in the accident or later on the road. The car was
OK when it passed by me on the stage.
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I seem to recall that, at the time, there were some rumours that Carlos Sainz had actually committed a very decent and honourable act by "retiring" on that last stage, when he could have, at the very least, struggled to the end within the first 4 places.
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Just had a look at post 509 the LM prototypes. My Guesses are 1, Oreca Formula Le Mans. 2, Luccini, 3, Radical SR9, Ginetta GZ09S 5, Courage Oreca 6, Lola Aston Martin DBR1
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Didnít Saint retire with engine failure on the last stage, or was that another year?

BTW itís Tommi Mškinen- only one K. (Just in case he looks in on tenths... )
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A bit more catching up, Post 537 the Group C cars, 1, Jaguar, 2, Porsche, 3, Courage, 4, Nissan, 5, Veskanda, 6, Nissan,

Post 538 The WEC cars are , 1, Lola B12 Toyota, 2, Audi r18, 3 Oreca 03 Nissan, 4, rear od Corvette C6R, Morgan Nissan & Audi R18, 5, Morgan Nissan & 6 Oreca 03 Nissan.
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Didn’t Saint retire with engine failure on the last stage, or was that another year?
Exactly what I had in mind. Going through a flood more or less flat out with a hot engine… Nothing to see with luck, bad or good imo.
Found this about Mškinen, 1998:
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Not waffle, E.B! This thread is as much about education as looking at nice photos, even if that wasnít Bobís intention!

Presume the Veskanda runs an American V8?
It had a 6 ltre normally aspirated Chevrolet engine.
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It had a 6 ltre normally aspirated Chevrolet engine.
You mean something like 366 ci?

Bob, please try to find a question or pic rbs can't answer or at least that will take him more than two minutesÖ*He's too good!
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