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Old 12 Nov 2019, 08:29 (Ref:3940123)   #1
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F1 announces plan to be Net Zero Carbon by 2030.

https://corp.formula1.com/formula-1-...arbon-by-2030/.

Interesting development.
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Old 12 Nov 2019, 08:35 (Ref:3940124)   #2
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It's interesting a few drivers are behind it, like Hamilton and Vettel. So it's probably a step in the right direction
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Old 12 Nov 2019, 10:03 (Ref:3940138)   #3
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Thereís a sentence in Motorsport that concerns me- that the sport is planning to offset the CO2 production it cannot eliminate.......

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/n...n-neutral-2030

Letís hope offset isnít taken as the easy way out.
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Old 12 Nov 2019, 13:37 (Ref:3940165)   #4
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Yep offset has been used by companies for ages. used by criminals fpr about the same time, the bank i worked for offset carbon against all sorts of enviromental project's one was later to have turned out to be a fake water wheel in eastern europe that had it's fake off sett sold to hundreds of stupid companies. The paper industries do well out of it, the forests of trees they have been using for years now generate as much in carbon off sett as the value of wood they produce. Absolutely no difference to them and no change in anything to do with carbon but fools and money are easily parted.
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Old 12 Nov 2019, 15:03 (Ref:3940176)   #5
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Well it is easy to be cynical, but you'd have to be in serious denial if you imagined that motor sport will not be coming under ever tighter scrutiny for its environmental impact . But I do fear some of its supporters come from the demographic that dismisses anything not to their liking as fake news, with the usual bluster , but I feel it is about time it was seen to act .
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Old 12 Nov 2019, 15:26 (Ref:3940181)   #6
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I appreciate and applaud the effort. However, if it is just window dressing, I don't think they should bother.

I find the following info (pulled from the motorsports magazine link above) interesting. It is the distribution of the F1 carbon footprint

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45% Logistics Road, sea and air transport of equipment
27.7% Business travel Transport of staff
19.3% Facilities & factories Offices and factories owned by teams & F1
7.3% Event operations Broadcasting, support racers, circuit energy use
0.7% Power unit emissions From all races and testing
So as everyone would expect the logistics side is the bulk. If you combine material and staff that is 73%. I just don't see that number coming down significantly in my lifetime. Particular the air freight part. And the cars themselves. Less than 1%.

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(Coppice)- Absolutely! I’m sure there are obvious places where savings can be made, such as the 300+ trucks used to take all the paraphernalia around Europe, and it needs to happen.

As GT6 says, though, the practice of offsetting can be abused or taken as an easy option. Good money to be earned though, for instance if you’re a company like Tesla and can sell some of your ‘carbon credits’ to other car manufacturers to offset penalties being imposed on them by legislators!
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F1 Electric...
No the car's don't need to be electric. The planes that fly the equipment all over the globe need to be electric! An alternative step is that we move all of the teams around a single circuit and have multiple races in one location. Or better yet, just do one race for the entire season!

I say this tongue in cheek.

Overall I think its a good thing. They should try and will achieve some results. As mentioned above, I would rather it be real than bogus offsets.

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Well it is easy to be cynical, but you'd have to be in serious denial if you imagined that motor sport will not be coming under ever tighter scrutiny for its environmental impact . But I do fear some of its supporters come from the demographic that dismisses anything not to their liking as fake news, with the usual bluster , but I feel it is about time it was seen to act .
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...Particular the air freight part...
and made all harder as the number of races is set to increase...i would assume that also means more back to back weekends perhaps then making ground and sea transport less time effective?

agreed this is also one area where im not sure how they will bring the number down.

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By 2025, the sport plans to have replaced single-use plastics with recyclable and compostable materials, and to re-use, recycle or compost all waste.
Fans will be incentivised to choose greener ways of travelling to circuits, and there will be additional measures to "prioritise fan wellbeing" at circuits, which include "enhancing biodiversity, improving air quality and offering healthier food options".


no doubt, a big source is also from us the fans.

so i was at the Indy 500 this year (a longer event with more people at it then an F1 weekend mind you). naturally had an amazing time and when i got back home i spent some time googling the event/catching up on news surrounding the event which i may have missed while i was there.

one story in particular really got to me though was the amount of trash, plastic and clean up required after the event. for sure i wasnt really that surprised by this but at the same time i was really shocked by it....maybe for the first time in my life really.

i suppose sensibilities are changing and i now happen to be more aware of my own footprint then in days past. it was an eye opener for me to think about how much of that garbage i might have been responsible for.

anyways, nice to see that FOM has taken the effect of and on fans into consideration. hopefully this leads to a better fan experience by creating a more sustainable environment for us to be in so that we may continue to visit these circuits for many more years to come.
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Well it is easy to be cynical, but you'd have to be in serious denial if you imagined that motor sport will not be coming under ever tighter scrutiny for its environmental impact . But I do fear some of its supporters come from the demographic that dismisses anything not to their liking as fake news, with the usual bluster , but I feel it is about time it was seen to act .
To be honest, I am pleasantly surprised this thread is not full of strong criticism from the fake news/get off my lawn crowd. I am waiting for the first time I see "Ok Boomer" here on the forum!

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Like walk or swim?

I am all for this initiative, but it is easy to make fun of.

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I for one wouldn't shed a tear if the whole F1 circus imploded and disappeared as I think it's virtually unjustifiable in present or forseeable form.
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Apparently it's either or as long as you wear British racing green while travelling.
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If 120,000 spectators attend at Silverstone, I presume that their carbon footprint for getting to and from the circuit will dwarf the carbon directly generated by the on-track action. Even more so when you take into account all the helicopters and the like that seem to buzz around non-stop.

I take my hat off to the powers that be anyway. It is only to be encouraged.

Do all the unused F1 race tyres still get scrapped at the end of every weekend, or has that practice now stopped?
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Sure I read somewhere this week that they are shredded, then sent to a facility to be burned at high temps and produce fuel for cement factories.....
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