McLaren push on in longest 1-2 barren period record bid.

[Knowlesy]

Will the grey and black boys ever get a 1-2?

Or will they continue this almost laughable routine of blown engines, reliability issues, the Montoya-backmarker-magnet scheme etc....

When will their next 1-2 arrive? Have to say, that one has me stumped.

You have to laugh really!

[Menelaos]

Yeah, it's funny, I was talking to a friend of mine on the phone some 2-3 laps before the JPM incident, and he told me that we might actually get a 1-2 finally. I told him that that was impossible and honestly I was waiting to see what would happen. I don't know, if you asked 7-8 races ago I'd say that McLaren would definitely make it to at least 4 1-2s in this season. Then I thought that the engines were reliable too. Now it seems they'll never make it....

[BootsOntheSide]

By my reckoning they've had soemthing like 15 wins since their last 1-2, with is extraordinary. They've arguably had the 2 fastest cars at Belgium, Monza, Turkey, Silverstone and Canada this year, but they've all gone wrong in different ways.

[Jordi]

Ah, it'll someday come. Like the day with Ferraris being 2 s off the pace came...

[Born Racer]

The dejected looks of McLaren personnel on the pitwall despite Raikkonen winning said it all to me.

And perhaps the fact there was no-one from the team to collect the constructors trophy other than a bemused-looking Kimi.

[gert]

Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

By my reckoning they've had soemthing like 15 wins since their last 1-2, with is extraordinary. They've arguably had the 2 fastest cars at Belgium, Monza, Turkey, Silverstone and Canada this year, but they've all gone wrong in different ways.

i think you can safely add Hungary as another possible 1-2

[Menelaos]

Imola too. Hockenheim... Nurburgring. And probably Indy, if Micheling had brought them tyres But not Canada, I think the Renaults were very very close, maybe marginally better there.

[gert]

Originally Posted by Menelaos

But not Canada, I think the Renaults were very very close, maybe marginally better there.

Both Renaults were out at lap 38 (of 70)

At the moment Button threw himself in the wall, McLaren had a 1-2.

[Menelaos]

yeah, but it was not exactly a "worthy" 1-2, Renaults were out, and Alonso's was not because his car had some problem. He just run into the wall. So I don't think McLaren were better than Renault there...

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Menelaos

yeah, but it was not exactly a "worthy" 1-2, Renaults were out,

Define worthy? 2 cars are out, 1 because the driver made a mistake. Surely that makes the 1-2 worthy.

Take yesterday for instance, had Kimi and Juan Pablo finished 1-2, it would have been worthy, but Juan Pablo was taken out, Fernando drove a calculated race and was there at the end, surely he was worthy of his 8 points, even though JPM would also been worthy of the 8 points (maybe 10 hd it not been for the switch?)

edit - to quote Ron Dennis - to finish first, first you have to finish, same applies all the way down the grid - edit

[Menelaos]

Yes, that was not my point, let's not get into this again We were just talking about where McLaren were faster than Renault, and I said that I don't think they were genuinely faster in Canada, cause the Renaults were probably faster, as highlighted by the fact that Alonso was leading the race until he made a mistake. That's also why I used quotes for "worthy"

[Kicking-back]

But we don't know what the strategies were, Menelaos - the McLaren may have well been faster over the whole race distance.

[Menelaos]

yes, that's true

[Russfeld]

When was the last Renault 1-2? Williams? ....BAR? I think its a bizarre factoid.

[Adam43]

It is of relevance at the moment though as McLaren appear to have the fastest car and my a decent margin.

[Russfeld]

Yeah but McLaren havent been in 1-2 potential situations every race since the last one, so the 'barren period' is half a season at most

[Adam43]

Which is of course why all the uses in this thread (except one) are only really talking about this year.

On that aspect: I think McLaren will end this run before the end of the season. The car is getting better relatively not worse. However it will be interesting to see if Renault turn the wick up a little for race wins if they clinch the drivers title. Even though the constructors will still be up for grabs they really need a win (or at least split the McLarens) to spoil the McLaren charge as they are only six points ahead.