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thanks for continuing with your posting style which was complained about. Everyone is happy to hear that.
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I must have missed the threads on here discussing SSCA runoffs, the articles discussing the on track action, the reviews after?? Or is that you not understanding a relative scale of things. I did not say the SCCA runoffs don't matter, to me they don't and I could not possibly care any less, but that would take you actually reading what I wrote. Instead what I said what in relation to fan impact, show me proof that an appreciable number of fans are sitting at home now deciding between attending the runoffs and Petit, oh wait, is that because you can't because even those post here couldn't tell you a single thing about the run-offs, what's racing or even how it is formatted. Just because something else is bigger doesn't mean the other is useless. It can mean it's not as important to the other's management and frankly I don't think IMSA gives a rat's behind about SCCA nor should they. But if you feel offended that oh no, someone doesn't think your thing is as important, well I can't help you with that at all.
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As for the support series that could be an issue too. I see some drivers being out of contention for any of the support series titles who also run in SCCA and are Runoffs eligible running the Runoffs over the PLM support races. I can bet they would love to have a shot at a title and also save some money while going for that title. |
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Forgive my ignorance on this subject - but the US has so many series and there are clashes every week. Why is it only an issue with SCCA runoffs and IMSA?
The UK found enough corner workers (just) to run ELMS/WEC, British GT and British SuperBikes on the same weekend. In the thousands of miles between SCCA Runoffs and Petit Le Mans, there aren't enough available corner workers to man both? And whilst I understand the issue IMSA has with allowing corner works on tracks, I don't see why this reduces the number of available workers? Would allowing them on tracks increase worker numbers? Not arguing - literally do not understand why this is a problem we're discussing. |
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For 2018 they are on different coasts and not a big issue getting workers for both. For 2019 the distance between the tracks is only 347 miles. As for working on track, yes if we were allowed to respond on track there would be more workers willing to work IMSA races. This is a known problem as both PLM and Daytona have seen a decrease in workers (especially international workers) since they started the policy of not being able to respond. It should be pretty clear that when a worker that is less than an hour from Road Atlanta doesn't want to work PLM but would rather work the Runoffs at VIR that their is an issue (for information that same worker has worked PLM for the last couple of years straight). |
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I find this entire line of discussion kind of ridiculous in light of all the consternation about F1/WEC/IMSA schedule conflicts, as if the people those decisions were being made for have ever heard of something called "Petit Le Mans" either.
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im half sleep and been following this thread for awhile and im sorry about punctuation and spelling but Im a former circle track racer and trying to get into sports car racing and have been to PLM the last 4 years. I adore road atlanta and that race I go to Sebring and VIR and PLM every year but as of this moment im leaning towards going to VIR for the runoffs as a spectator its only a hour and half down the road versus 7 and god knows I feel for the corner workers but I have a group of seven people and all but one of us are leaning toward VIR granted things could change
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I heard nothing from Scott about how they're going to improve and unclutter their website. I'm highly disappointed.
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The web site does stink. Bad design for sure. Other than the live in car streaming during the race I only go there because sometimes the entry list is posted there before any of the media sites like sportscar365 post it. VIR entry list is up. No Risi Ferrari :-(
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Akrapovic, UK population density is ~700/sq-mi, while for the US it's ~85. Also, travel distances there will be less.
On the topic, I wouldn't mind Portland, though I'd prefer a return to the 2.52-mile layout at Sears Point myself. The GT events are nice, but part of me definitely wants to see the Prototypes back at VIR; I'd be curious to see a GT-only race at Barber. |
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How can the US have a MUCH larger population, and not enough marshals to run two events together? |
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The overall population doesn't really matter; it's how many people there are within the localized region who are willing to travel the given distance. In the UK, there simply are more people within the relevant radius of the circuit(s) in question.
And as was also pointed out, it wouldn't be an issue if, like this year, the two events are on opposite sides of the country (generally quoted as 3,000 miles across), but next year, VIR and Road Atlanta are only ~350 miles apart. |
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I get that, but we were talking about the US having to pull marshals from overseas as well? So there aren't enough marshals to travel within a sensible distance in the US, but there are enough who'll fly around the world to do it? Seems a bit weird.
It's just very odd. Given the size of America's motorsport world, I'm amazed marshal numbers are an issue. |
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It wouldn't surprise me if the percentage of the population in central and western Europe that is aware of F1 is higher than the percentage of the US population that is aware of NASCAR.
As for marshals, I'd be willing to bet that European marshals find the atmosphere of the tracks and the experience of marshaling here to be more pleasant, especially when compared to events like F1 or the WEC. The SCCA does an awful lot of the total marshal training over here, but the entity has a long history of regionalism, so participants often don't like to go very far afield. And frankly, given the default proximity of other countries, languages, and cultures in Europe relative to the US, Americans, in general, can tend to be more insular in their thinking. Having said all that, the closest IMSA race to me is Road America, and that's nearly 800 miles away. That distance would just about cover going from the far north of Scotland to the far south of England, wouldn't it? |
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Reliance? I can't answer that, but that's interesting. Don't think it would be complete reliance, but I've been wrong 20x already today... And flying from the west coast to the east coast, renting a vehicle, getting a hotel etc. won't be much less than coming from overseas I would think; it all seems like a great pain in the ass, but I'm no traveler.... The amount of marshalls deciding going to the Runoffs on the complete opposite side of the country from PLM should be few and far between. Both have been happening around the same time of the year for years and would have been difficult to attend both for sometime now. I personally think it's a none issue. |
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As a scca grid worker in San Francisco i see the concern. We are volunteers. I am a 48 yr old self employed guy who just loves cars, especially race cars. That being said, I dont go out of my region to volunteer unless it is something special. In our region, it would be real tough if we had the runoffs at say Sonoma, while a big imsa race was at laguna seca. We certainly dont have enough local people to handle both events in this case. But, I imagine we could get a bunch of northwest and so cal folks to come help. Still a big 'ask'. I love volunteering, but the cost of attending the weekends is pretty steep, especially if you had to fly. you really need to love it. Hope it all works out.
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