[V8SC10R07&08] ITM400, Hamilton New Zealand

[dsg]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

And no doubt V8SA values this type of consumer higher than a motorsport fan.

If the 467,564 views of the grid girl thread on this forum are any indication, it would seem to be a wise business move.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

I'll dumb it down for you.

Everyone in the main game has the same resources avaliable to them. Some have spent their dollars better than others, and hence are running away with another championship.

The fujitsu series has 2 types of teams. Level 1 associated teams, and normal fujistu teams, so there is a need for it to be evened out.
That is nothing like the main game. So nothing hypocritical about it.

No matter what spin you try to put on it you can't have it both ways. You can't say that ballast is acceptable in one series but not the other, it's obvious, end of story.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by bluesport

No matter what spin you try to put on it you can't have it both ways. You can't say that ballast is acceptable in one series but not the other, it's obvious, end of story.

I dont care if a series has ballast. I care if they have SUCCESS ballast. The best team should win.

[fordo]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Seems to be any overwhelming perception(real or perceived) with people you talk to here,that have been to one of the races in Hamilton,that you cant see bugger all.Lots of people I know who are fans have been once but wont go back.
Add that to the fact the racing is boring and its a big task the organisers have to breath life into the event.
Pukekohe had a buzz that Hamilton can't seem to generate.

Pukekohe had a track that Hamilton cant seem to match.

Too much waffle about nothing on the TV broadcasts over both days and if you are at the event where is all the on track action - stunt riders and dancing girls moving around the track. Put more races on like the old days. I remember when one race was pulling off the track into the infield/pit area and the next was waiting to drive out. Only delays were for a few cars to be towed in.
Thats what people want to see - CARS RACING !!! If you want to see dancing girls go to a club - end of story.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

I dont care if a series has ballast. I care if they have SUCCESS ballast. The best team should win.

All ballast is success ballast, or haven't you noticed they don't put it in slow cars.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by bluesport

All ballast is success ballast, or haven't you noticed they don't put it in slow cars.

No its not. The ballast in the fujistu series is there because certain teams have a technical advantage over the others. Something T8 DONT have over the other main game cars. Thats a level playing field.

[mildura1963]

Originally Posted by fordo

Pukekohe had a track that Hamilton cant seem to match.

Too much waffle about nothing on the TV broadcasts over both days and if you are at the event where is all the on track action - stunt riders and dancing girls moving around the track. Put more races on like the old days. I remember when one race was pulling off the track into the infield/pit area and the next was waiting to drive out. Only delays were for a few cars to be towed in.
Thats what people want to see - CARS RACING !!! If you want to see dancing girls go to a club - end of story.

Fordo, you hit the nail on the head mate, where were the Toyota Racing Series, Transam/GT1, Production Cars??????

[mildura1963]

Report in Saturday's Waikato Times says that event will be in Hamilton for next 7 years, event will now be promoted by VESA & Hamilton City Council.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

No its not. The ballast in the fujistu series is there because certain teams have a technical advantage over the others. Something T8 DONT have over the other main game cars. Thats a level playing field.

All teams in the Fujitsu series are allowed to build cars to the same specification. Level 1 teams do it better because they are better resourced, so they carry ballast to even out the situation.......but what is appropriate for one series is not applied to the other series.

[NAC]

Originally Posted by mildura1963

Fordo, you hit the nail on the head mate, where were the Toyota Racing Series, Transam/GT1, Production Cars??????

Close. Give me the following

NZV8
GT3
Transam/GT1
TRS
Swift

[rustyinsthoz]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

I dont care if a series has ballast. I care if they have SUCCESS ballast. The best team should win.

Its not the best teams that win today, it the biggest teams that dominate.

[Bevan-L]

i'm just being sarcastic as its clear to see what the real argument is about here

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by bluesport

All teams in the Fujitsu series are allowed to build cars to the same specification. Level 1 teams do it better because they are better resourced, so they carry ballast to even out the situation.......but what is appropriate for one series is not applied to the other series.

My point exactly. Alot different to 'you won, so have some ballast'. Ballast is applied before they even hit the track.....therefore its NOT success ballast.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by rustyinsthoz

Its not the best teams that win today, it the biggest teams that dominate.

Yup. FPR and HRT are cleaning up........

Its clear they are the best team. Once upon a time HRT were that team. Then SBR, what changed? The personnel or the way the dollars were spent. But the series is NOT uneven in the slightest like some ford supports would have you believe.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

My point exactly. Alot different to 'you won, so have some ballast'. Ballast is applied before they even hit the track.....therefore its NOT success ballast.

So you're happy to have ballast applied to some teams as long as it is not success ballast.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by bluesport

So you're happy to have ballast applied to some teams as long as it is not success ballast.

I'm happy with teams that have an unfair advantage, are restricted so its a level playing field for the whole series. In the Fujitsu series, if this means ballast for teams with a Level 1 helping, then so be it.

The main series doesn't need it at all. Any team who cant win races just hasn't got it together (and should probably go to the Fujitsu series)

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by dsg

If the 467,564 views of the grid girl thread on this forum are any indication, it would seem to be a wise business move.

Surely its not a good reflection on your product when it plays 2nd fiddle to grid girls?

[rustyinsthoz]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Yup. FPR and HRT are cleaning up........

Its clear they are the best team. Once upon a time HRT were that team. Then SBR, what changed? The personnel or the way the dollars were spent. But the series is NOT uneven in the slightest like some ford supports would have you believe.

Well, if T8 don't win, then it is usually HRT or FPR that do. Not DJR or SBR or GRM. Why is that? The simple answer is that the later three are not owned/ affiliated with overseas companies. Size matters in V8 racing today.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by rustyinsthoz

Well, if T8 don't win, then it is usually HRT or FPR that do. Not DJR or SBR or GRM. Why is that? The simple answer is that the later three are not owned/ affiliated with overseas companies. Size matters in V8 racing today.

The standings seem to disagee with you.

Courtney, Holdsworth, the Giz, all above both HRT drivers. (and Johnson was there til his backwards rotors)

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

The main series doesn't need it at all. Any team who cant win races just hasn't got it together (and should probably go to the Fujitsu series)

Then that would probably leave about 4 cars on the grid.......Fujitsu would be a great series though.

[rustyinsthoz]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

The standings seem to disagee with you.

Courtney, Holdsworth, the Giz, all above both HRT drivers. (and Johnson was there til his backwards rotors)

Go look at the last 4 seasons. Walkinshaw FPR and T8 have dominated the the top three positions of each championship. A local operation has't won Bathurst sense 2000. In terms of race wins by those three companies , they win 8 out of every 10 races. Size matters.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Then that would probably leave about 4 cars on the grid.......Fujitsu would be a great series though.

So we agree then, 90% of the field in the main game are only up to fujitsu standards, thus need to pull their finger out to catch up to main game standards.

I'll say again, T8 (and the other 2 cars you implied) don't have anything over the other cars, in terms of dollars. Maybe just more sense when spending said dollars....

Originally Posted by rustyinsthoz

Go look at the last 4 seasons. Walkinshaw FPR and T8 have dominated the the top three positions of each championship. A local operation has't won Bathurst sense 2000. In terms of race wins by those three companies , they win 8 out of every 10 races. Size matters.

You listed 3 teams (6 cars) yet they only dominated 3 positions......
Thats the point i'm making. Its not one team better than the rest, its a good package working really well (ie Whincup and his engineering team).
If it was, it would be T8 1-2 every race, and everyone else fighting for 3rd. Thats not the case.

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by Just Do It!

Where has all the discussion gone that puts focus on the real issues of the ITM 400 rather than brake rotors and the haves vs the have nots?

The real stuff like who actually holds the contract with V8SA and why the sanction fee hasn't been paid?

Tell us more. I am over the other crap.

[rustyinsthoz]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

So we agree then, 90% of the field in the main game are only up to fujitsu standards, thus need to pull their finger out to catch up to main game standards.

I'll say again, T8 (and the other 2 cars you implied) don't have anything over the other cars, in terms of dollars. Maybe just more sense when spending said dollars....




You listed 3 teams (6 cars) yet they only dominated 3 positions......
Thats the point i'm making. Its not one team better than the rest, its a good package working really well (ie Whincup and his engineering team).
If it was, it would be T8 1-2 every race, and everyone else fighting for 3rd. Thats not the case.

And my point is T8, HRT and FPR will continue to dominate simple because they are far bigger teams than SBR, DJR and GRM.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by rustyinsthoz

And my point is T8, HRT and FPR will continue to dominate simple because they are far bigger teams than SBR, DJR and GRM.

SBR and DJR have both been in the same position. race/championship wins aren't new to them, so they're obviously doing something wrong NOW. GRM not so much, but moreso because he always has young guys.

Why is it they aren't dominating like they once did? Personnel or spending the money wrong. So people asking for success ballast is a joke, because its not needed. Its basically the slower teams saying 'we can't be bothered going faster, so slow the leader down for us'